2012-02-02

Is it possible for 2 Rh negative parents to produce a Rh positive child? A Surprise Answer!

Vatic Note:  Another interesting RH neg article that actually surprised me.  RH neg is a non dominant gene issue and thus it would take both parents having one each RH neg to make an RH neg baby,  but a positive would have to have one positive and one negative to make a positive since RH positive is a dominant in the results.   This below says its more than that.  Its a good read.  Check it out. 


Is it possible for 2 Rh negative parents to produce a Rh positive child?

http://www.rhesusnegative.net/work/is-it-possible-for-2-rh-negative-parents-to-produce-a-rh-positive-child/
by RhesusNegative.Net
December 25, 2011

The answer to this really important question is yes. And the answer is for a much simpler reason than the blue-eyed parents having a child with green eyes that we discuss in our answer at http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=101 .   The reason is that people who test negative for Rh aren’t always Rh-. The test isn’t always sensitive enough to get the right answer (although it usually does).

And it only tests for one of the two Rh genes. And it doesn’t test for any of the other genes that can cause similar problems.  To understand how the test could go wrong, we first need to dig a bit deeper into Rh biology and our immune system.

Rh status is usually explained as this simple, one gene trait. Even we have fallen into this trap in our answer at http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=71. But there are two Rh genes, RhD and RhCE. There are also other genes with names like Kell, Duffy and Kidd that can cause similar problems.


Problems can happen when mom has one version of one of these genes and her baby has a different one. The reason this can cause a problem is that mom can make antibodies against a baby’s proteins. The antibodies can cause serious health problems by destroying the baby’s red blood cells.

How did we get from genes to proteins to red blood cells? Remember, genes are really just recipes for proteins. For example, the RhD gene makes the RhD protein. The Rh proteins are found in red blood cells.
Sometimes a baby’s blood can get into mom’s bloodstream. When that happens, mom makes antibodies against any proteins on the outside of the baby’s blood cells that are different from hers. (Part of the Rh proteins sit on the outside of the red blood cell.)

We usually think of antibodies as protecting us against bacteria or viruses. The way they do this is they recognize any different protein on the outside of these invaders and destroy them. In the case of an Rh+ baby and an Rh- mom, the system turns against us. Mom’s immune system thinks that the baby’s red blood cells are invaders and destroys them.

The way things usually work is that the first Rh+ baby is ok. Mom makes antibodies but too late in the pregnancy to have serious problems. But then comes the second Rh+ baby.   And the second baby can be in trouble. This is because once an antibody has been made to a different protein, that antibody stays around for a long time. That is why, for example, once we’ve had the chickenpox, we can’t get it again.

What that means for our case is that antibodies against Rh+ red blood cells are still around for the second Rh+ baby. Now these antibodies attack the second baby’s red blood cells causing all of the problems you’ve heard about.

OK, now back to your question. So how could the test being used get dad’s Rh status wrong? Whoa, why dad? For there to be a problem, a mother needs to be Rh- and a baby Rh+. If mom is Rh-, an Rh+ baby almost always got that way from dad.  One obvious way for the test to get dad’s Rh status wrong is if it misses the presence of the RhD protein. Besides human error, there are a couple of versions of the RhD gene that can sneak by the test.

The first is called weak D. Weak D makes only a small amount of RhD protein. The test can’t see the small amount of protein but mom can sometimes make antibodies to it.


Another version is called partial D. With partial D, lots of RhD protein gets made. But the protein made is a little different so antibodies don’t recognize it as well. Since the test uses antibodies to look for the RhD protein, it misses the partial RhD protein.

There are follow-up tests that can be done for these two genes, but they aren’t always done. These versions of the RhD gene are pretty rare and don’t cause problems very often. But, you might be asking, what about the other Rh gene, RhCE or all of those other genes? Why don’t they test for the other Rh proteins?

Because the other proteins don’t cause problems as often. The major reason the D protein causes most Rh-related problems is that it is more immunogenic than the proteins the RhCE gene codes for.  What this means is that our bodies raise antibodies to RhD much more readily than it does to the other Rh or Rh-like proteins. So it is much more rare for these proteins to cause a problem.

But these other proteins do sometimes cause problems. And they are causing a bigger percentage of problems now that RhD is being tested for routinely.   Well, that was a lot. Rh status is a lot more complicated than most people think. All these subtleties aren’t usually important. But sometimes they can be…

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9 comments:

Debra said...

Boy the synchronicity here is awesome. I recently connected with a woman who is just the opposite. Both her and husband are RH+ and have 4 RH- kids. I was wondering how this could happen. I figured recessive gene maybe?
I see how it could work either way now.
Thanks again for adding these blood type articles.
Also I just love the site you wrote about last week. I have never been on a site where eveyone is so warm and friendly and such. Totally feels like home.
So thanks again. This is now my #1 stop in the morning. Keep up the great job Vatic! Your site rocks!!!

Vatic Master said...

For RH neg people, synchronicity is happening almost daily now and rapidly such that it is becoming normal. Have you noticed that yet? I don't know about RH positive, but I have not heard much about that from anyone I know that is RH positive. It could be happening but they may be unaware that is what it is.

Thanks for your kind words, and I must admit that I do this for myself as well, so its not completely for others, rather for both. If I was feeling this way, then others must be too. I am glad you enjoyed the other site as well. I have a couple of my paintings up there and one of my jewelry creations that I made for healing and it worked. Yahoo. LOL

Vatic Master said...

Forgot to mention, if you go back to that site, I am the one with red hair and the twisted tongue sticking out. LOL

Debra said...

Well friend me why don't ya? :)
I am Debra Payne on that site. See you there!
And YES to the synchronicity question. But I have been aware of this for a very long time. Way before I read The Celestine books. My RH+ daughters also are aware of their powers to be in synch with the world. Super cool to see them get it.
Have a great day!

Anonymous said...

hi, i'm o neg, was reading your other post's on this topic ( rh neg blood)and just wondered if anyone else had problems giving a natural birth,as i did with both my children .. i too have the premonition type dreams which come true and are very detailed, as well as the feeling of not belonging here 9 i thought this was depression! and my doc said that my interest in space and posibility of other life forms .. stems from deppression and feeling of not belonging .. anyway i don't go back anymore .. anti - depressants never worked .. i read on one of the other pages that o neg blood types are being tracked?? is this correct? i would like to think the blood i donate goes to a person who needs it , .. also could you give me the address of the site which Debra talks about please as i would like to talk to others about this ..xx i can't believe these personality traits stem from blood groups , how fascinating?? although i read somewhere that Chinese people believe personality comes from blood types , and they have believed this for a long time, kind regards Vicci

Vatic Master said...

There are so many out there that we could actually form a whole community and take over a state of our own. LOL Glad to hear from you.

The site debra was referring to that we found is this one:

http://rhnegativeblood.ning.com/

Just cut and paste it into the address window and it will take you there. Please tell them you got the info here. We like them so much we want them to know that by our referrals. Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

My parents are both A negative. My older brother is also A negative. I'm A positive, is that possible?

Vatic Master said...

Yes, its possible. First of all, read the article and that will tell you in what way that it is possible.

Mom said...

My husband an i both have A- blood type. We share three children. Two of whom have neg rh factor as well. However one of our children have rh+. I was raped before finding out of that pregnancy an my husband knows but for 17 yrs neither of us have ever spoken a word. I wanna kno is ot possible my husband an i made a baby with A+ blood type both our other children are rh neg just like their father an i