Agents' union disavows leaders of ICE: Sees support for 'amnesty'

Vatic Note:   This is a "MUST READ" article.   There are disclosures on here that we, the public knew nothing about.  This is treason if true, by this or any administration that did this to prevent these men from doing their jobs.   Its like having the police out on patrol and telling them they cannot arrest or stop anyone from committing a crime if you see it,  nothing,  they are allowed to do absolutely nothing to enforce any immigration laws.  Amazing.   I can now also see the value of a union, because any indivdual who tried to whistle blow this would have been out of job within two seconds of this disclosure, but might even have ended up in jail like the other two who tried to do their job.  Remember them?  Like I said, this is a must read piece. 

Agents' union disavows leaders of ICE

Sees support for 'amnesty'
washington Times, by Jerry Seper, August 2010

The union that represents rank-and-file field agents at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has unanimously passed a "vote of no confidence" for the agency's leadership, saying ICE has "abandoned" its core mission of protecting the public to support a political agenda favoring amnesty.

The National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents 7,000 ICE agents and employees, voted 259-0 for a resolution saying there was "growing dissatisfaction and concern" over the leadership of Assistant Secretary John Morton, who heads ICE, and Phyllis Coven, assistant director for the agency's office of detention policy and planning.

The resolution said ICE leadership had "abandoned the agency's core mission of enforcing U.S. immigration laws and providing for public safety," instead directing its attention "to campaigning for programs and policies related to amnesty and the creation of a special detention system for foreign nationals that exceeds the care and services provided to most U.S. citizens similarly incarcerated.

"It is the desire of our union … to publicly separate ourselves from the actions of Director Morton and Assistant Director Coven and publicly state that ICE officers and employees do not support Morton or Coven or their misguided and reckless initiatives, which could ultimately put many in America at risk," the union said.

Mass Assassinations Lie at the Heart of America's Military Strategy in the Muslim World

August 24, 2010  |  Fred Branfman

"[General McChrystal says that] for every innocent person you kill, you create 10 new enemies." "The Runaway General"," Rolling Stone, 6/22/10

The truth that many Americans find hard to take is that that mass U.S. assassination on a scale unequaled in world history lies at the heart of America's military strategy in the Muslim world, a policy both illegal and never seriously debated by Congress or the American people.

Conducting assassination operations throughout the 1.3 billon-strong Muslim world will inevitably increase the murder of civilians and thus create exponentially more "enemies," as Gen. McChrystal suggests -- posing a major long-term threat to U.S. national security. This mass assassination program, sold as defending Americans, is actually endangering us all.

Those responsible for it, primarily General Petraeus, are recklessly seeking short-term tactical advantage while making an enormous long-term strategic error that could lead to countless American deaths in the years and decades to come. General Petraeus must be replaced, and the U.S. military's policy of direct and mass assassination of Muslims ended.

The U.S. has conducted assassination programs in the Third World for decades, but the actual killing -- though directed and financed by the C.I.A. -- has been largely left to local paramilitary and police forces. This has now has changed dramatically.

What is unprecedented today is the vast number of Americans directly assassinating Muslims -- through greatly expanded U.S. military Special Operations teams, U.S. drone strikes and private espionage networks run by former CIA assassins and torturers. Most significant is the expanding geographic scope of their killing.

While CENTCOM Commander from October 2008 until July 2010, General Petraeus received secret and unprecedented permission to unilaterally engage in operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, former Russian Republics, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, the Horn of Africa, and wherever else he deems necessary.

Never before has a nation unleashed so many assassins in so many foreign nations around the world (9,000 Special Operations soldiers are based in Iraq and Afghanistan alone) as well as implemented a policy that can be best described as unprecedented, remote-control, large-scale "mechanized assassination." As the N.Y. Times noted in December 2009: "For the first time in history, a civilian intelligence agency is using robots to carry out a military mission, selecting people for killing in a country where the United States is not officially at war."

Marxist Terrorist is Next Brazil President

Vatic Note:   Remember Brazil?  This was the country that at the time of the bail out of Ford motor we did not know that bailout money was going to go to brazil where Ford needed it to finish building a new manufacturing plant while closing plants in the states.   The bailout funds would have insured jobs for Brazilian slave labor wage workers.   Gee,  our taxes hard earned, going to create jobs in a slave wage country, heaven forbid they use their profits and capital for building their own plant???  It appears the term Marxist now means fascist.   It no longer means communism as previously defined.   Fascism is "socialized" losses and "privatized" profits.  I have a solution for our bankcruptcy.    All those companies, banks, corporations that benefited from the bailout paid for by us and they owe us for it,  well, they can be the collateral for our own debt.   If we go belly up, the creditors can take over the corporations, banks etc, since we now own them for defaulting on their loan to us.  

Marxist Terrorist is Next Brazil President

August 26, 2010,

SAO PAULO, Aug 26 (Reuters) - Brazil ruling party candidate Dilma Rousseff surged ahead of her main rival in his home state bastion, a new opinion poll showed on Thursday, as she appeared headed for a mandate-booting outright win in the Oct. 3 election.

Rousseff of Lula's ruling Workers' Party had 49 points in the latest Datafolha poll, 20 points ahead of Serra. That compares with her 47-30 lead in the previous Datafolha survey released five days ago.

From Our Sao Paulo Bureau (originally posted APRIL 8 2009, UPDATED Aug. 26 2010, under subhead below "Brazil's Purgatory About to Begin")

Dear Henry,
After seeing that article with Hitler's police file, see how interesting this other police file is. Dilma Rousseff, the current government Chief of Staff of Lula, a ministerial position, has been chosen by the Worker's Party to follow the (now millionaire) former factory worker Lula to the Presidency. Lula is one of the most corrupt presidents in history and is a tool for the Marxists.

Rousseff's father was a Bulgarian Communist.

On top of the file shown above is : TERRORIST / BANK ROBBER
On bottom:    Profession: Unknown


-1967 - agent for the Worker's Politics Movement
-06/10/68 - robbery of Banespa bank, Iguatemi Street, $ 80,000
-12/10/68 - planned the murder of [American] Capt. Charles Chandler [accomplished in cold blood, in front of his house, his wife and child]
-11/12/68 - robbery of Gun Store Diana, Seminario Street, 48 guns [stolen]
-??/04/69 - National Liberation Command [another terrorist organization)
- 4/01/69 - Robbery of Quitauna Arms Depository - 63 FAU rifles, 3 INA guns, 4 munitions.
-18/07/69 - Robbery of the Governor Ademar de Barros' house [the money was never recovered]
-01/08/68 - Robbery of the Mercantil of Sao Paulo bank.
-??/09/69 - VAR Palmares [terrorist organization] Congress in Teresopolis.
-20/09/69 - Robbery of the Public Force Police Quarters in Barro Branco.

These people receive substantial allowances for life because they have been arrested. The family of people whom they have killed get nothing at all. She climbed to the top inside the government because she is a Communist.

The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

Vatic Project:    The lesson we have to continually remember is that "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, BECAUSE TYRANTS ALWAYS USE WHAT WORKED IN THE PAST, AND THEY LACK CREATIVITY".  Once we understand that,  then what is going on here, becomes familiar.  We look at history to see how things let up to the final massacres of millions of citizens and we see a pattern.  First the slow errosion of rights based on some obscure threat to frighten the people.  ZBIG KNEW THAT AND PUT THAT IN HIS BOOK, THE GRAND CHESSBOARD TO KEEP US FRIGHTENED SO WE WOULD READILY GIVE UP THOSE RIGHTS, and that was in 1997, one year later Cheney and his neocon zionists draft the PAX AMERICANA  paper incorporating all the salient recommendations by Zbig into that document.  All the recommendations follow exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and elsewhere. A PEARL HARBOR TYPE EVENT,  which happened,  then the slow steady errosion of our Bill of Rights, and finally the manipulation of our gun rights and ammo, which will result, once completed in the confiscation of our guns,  ARRESTING OUR DISSIDENTS TRACKED BY GPS,  and the finally the unencumbered slaughter of our Christians and who knows probably even muslims.  This is how history shows us what they will do when elements of yesterday are included in todays actions.  That is exactly what we have here.  PULL YOUR GPS FROM YOUR CAR AND THROW IT AWAY.    That is sending a definitive message that you are NOT waiving your right to privacy.   We don't do these enough and there are so many places we can do this.   For instance when you go to renew your license,  stuff your cheeks and jaw with cotton and then have them take your picture.... why?  Because they intend to digitize your face for facial recognition techology they now have.   Why?  Because they have no other way of controlling exactly where you go and tracking were you are every minute of every day and thus keep you from RESISTING THIS TYRANNY.  

The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves
by Adam Cohen, Wed, August 25, 2010, provided to Vatic project by Ottis Stratton, Ghost Troop

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.

It is a dangerous decision — one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.


Tom DeLay's trial will be in Travis County, Texas

Vatic Note: The reason this is up here is because Tom DeLay was Bush's Nancy Pelosi and its good to see some of these guys go down hopefully and justice finally given to our people. He violated the trust his constitutents placed in him and his leadership role just like the Neolib Nancy is currently doing for Obama. Both working for a foreign occupying nation, against this nations best interest which has resulted in the destruction of our economy, financial  systems and infrastructure with the gift of war extracting the rest of our wealth and the blood of our children  all for the interests of another country.  That is high treason.   This then means its possible for Nancy to also be subject to justice in this time and place eventually and then 9-11 and all the perps also after that. If we get that, we save our nation once again from these horrible rapists of our country and all that it has stood for all these years that no longer exists. We must retrieve it. This is a beginning, if its real. WE will see. Time is the decider. 

Tom DeLay's trial will be in Travis County, Texas
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 25, 2010 , provided to vatic project by Sgt Lee of Ghost Troop

CNN) -- Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, accused of money laundering, will get a fair trial in Austin, a Texas judge ruled Wednesday.

Senior Judge Pat Priest's ruling did not please DeLay's attorney, who said "heavily Democratic" Travis County has a "strong anti-Tom DeLay feeling."

The Travis County prosecutor has charged DeLay with illegally funneling corporate campaign contributions.
"He's obviously very thoughtful, listened to the evidence and ruled from his heart," District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg said of Priest's ruling.

The Republican was indicted in 2005 on charges he illegally sent $190,000 in corporate money through the Republican National Committee to help elect GOP Texas legislative candidates in 2002.

DeLay, who resigned in 2006, has pleaded not guilty to money laundering and conspiracy. He has said the October 26 trial will clear him.

His attorney, Dick DeGuerin, told CNN the case was "highly political" and should have been heard in DeLay's home county of Fort Bend. He said the case against his client began over congressional redistricting that gave Republicans control.

Masterminds, Mosques and Mass Insanity: “War on Terrorism” Propaganda Ratcheted up Ahead of War Escalation

Masterminds, Mosques and Mass Insanity: “War on Terrorism” Propaganda Ratcheted up Ahead of War Escalation

Exemplified by the furor over the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” in New York, and rumors of a new Al-Qaeda “mastermind”, 9/11 “war on terrorism” propaganda has been ramped up to deafening levels by various political factions.

Nearly a decade since Bush/Cheney’s 9/11 false flag deception, a fearful, self-destructive American mass public remains fully brainwashed by “war on terrorism”  deception--- ignorant of history, and militantly oblivious to facts.

“Ground Zero mosque”: the art of missing the point

The ludicrous uproar over plans to build a Muslim community center in New York, the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” has dominated mainstream corporate news headlines. Political players from all sides, including President Barack Obama have joined the fray, attempting to prove themselves the superior “anti-terrorist”, or the better “commemorator of 9/11, when 3,000 people were killed by Muslim terrorists”.
Heated arguments have exploded around religion, tolerance, democracy, etc.---everything except the only fact that matters: 9/11 was a false flag operation, courtesy of the Bush-Cheney administration, carried out by an elite consensus, in order to justify the “war on terrorism”, and everything that came with it. Mass murder. Unending resource conquest.  A police state within US borders. Open criminality. 

The perpetual threat posed by a fabricated outside enemy, and a militarized, fearful populace, remain the centerpieces of elite policy, and they have been consistently maintained by both Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations. The demonization of Muslims continues to facilitate pillage.

Why WikiLeaks Must Be Protected

Wikileaks must be protected

by: John Pilger, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

On 26 July, WikiLeaks released thousands of secret US military files on the war in Afghanistan. Cover-ups, a secret assassination unit and the killing of civilians are documented. In file after file, the brutalities echo the colonial past. From Malaya and Vietnam to Bloody Sunday and Basra, little has changed. The difference is that, today, there is an extraordinary way of knowing how faraway societies are routinely ravaged in our name. WikiLeaks has acquired records of six years of civilian killing for both Afghanistan and Iraq, of which those published in the Guardian, Der Spiegel and The New York Times are but a fraction.

There is, understandably, hysteria on high, with demands that the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange be "hunted down" and "rendered." In Washington, I interviewed a senior Defense Department official and asked, "Can you give a guarantee that the editors of WikiLeaks and the editor in chief, who is not American, will not be subjected to the kind of manhunt that we read about in the media?" He replied, "It's not my position to give guarantees on anything." He referred me to the "ongoing criminal investigation" of a US soldier, Bradley Manning, an alleged whistleblower. In a nation that claims its constitution protects truth tellers, the Obama administration is pursuing and prosecuting more whistleblowers than any of its modern predecessors. A Pentagon document states bluntly that US intelligence intends to "fatally marginalize" WikiLeaks. The preferred tactic is smear, with corporate journalists ever ready to play their part.


Why Taiwan Matters

Vatic Note:  I realized in doing all this research that everything these globalists do have a purpose and a reason, no matter where they are doing it.  If good can come out of all this,  the expansive of our understanding of our world, is one of those things and it broadens our perspective, and makes us realize we are not the only bad guys in the world, there are others as well as good guys like we used to be.  It became important for us to look at our situation relative to other players  and to other countries and Taiwan became one of those. 

Jerry has a unique perspective this way, since he is an American living with his family, working, and playing in one of the most least understood areas geopolitically, on the earth, and that is Taiwan. He is a professor of geopolitics and has his doctorate in it and thus was the perfect provider to give us the reality of taiwan and what and who and why they are.     I asked him to write up a perspective and what is going on over there as we experience our own hell on earth over here.  

He did so and very well, I might add.   I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THIS.  Well worth the time to read it.  I ask anyone from any other country, if you have just such a perspective with regard to your own country, please send it in, and we will put it up for educational purposes.   Thanks,  Jerry, we look forward to many more.  Remember, in any third world war our enemy is the international bankers for all humanity in every country and that is who we should go after in this bogus war.   The leaders are the collaborators on both sides and the people are the victims.    We are strong and powerful and we can bring them down if we decide to do so.  No fighting each other.  They are few and weak, yes, they can cause damage, but not as much as they could if we did nothing and went along with their game.

Why Taiwan Matters
Commentary by Jerry Mills, Phd, Professor, editor of American Action Report, 
Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Taiwan is so small that the average Taiwanese can’t find it on a world map. Its surface area covers barely half the size of West Virginia and it’s barely the size of Maryland. It’s smaller than Guinea-Bissau, Bhutan, or Togo.

Taiwan has no seat in the United Nations. It’s recognized by only 23, mostly obscure, countries. In fact, it’s a joke among Taiwanese that the list of countries recognizing Taiwan is a geography lesson in obscure countries.

How many do you recognize? They are as follows: Burkina Faso, Gambia, Sao Tome and Principe, Swaziland, Vatican City, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Belize, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.

NASA to Reveal Big News From Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Thursday

Vatic Note:  One thing we have to admit without a doubt,  we live in interesting times that we have chosen to come into.   Thats not only on this planet but in the outerspace arena.  Also in the "inner space" area,  such as dimensional levels, time, and energy that is relatively unknown right now by the average person, however, science is making great progress and steps in discovery in these realms of reality and existance, so we hope to keep you abreast of all of it.    That includes all the news about Planet X which we are currently researching and hope to be able to give you some very credible information on that aspect of the news...  NASA will be making their announcement today, thursday and we will watch for it and update this blog as news comes in for those of you with an interest in this subject.  

NASA to Reveal Big News From Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Thursday

By Denise Chow
SPACE.com Staff Writer
posted: 23 August 2010, 04:56 pm ET

 NASA is expected to make an announcement Thursday on the progress of its Kepler spacecraft, which has been staring at one patch of space for evidence of other worlds.

The space agency has scheduled an afternoon teleconference with reporters to announce the results from Kepler, which include the "discovery of an intriguing planetary system," NASA officials said Monday.

Participating in the teleconference will be senior NASA scientists and Kepler mission researchers, including principal investigator William Borucki, at the space agency's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif.

The Kepler space observatory hunts for Earth-like planets around other stars. In June, mission scientists announced it had found over 700 candidates, including five systems that appear to have more than one transiting planet.

The spacecraft monitors stars for subtle changes in their brightness, which could indicate that alien planets are passing in front of them as seen from Earth. To date, astronomers have discovered more than 400 planets lurking around stars beyond our solar system.

Goldman Sucks Tells Its "Special" Clients To Sell Gold Even As It Raises Its Price Target On The Shiny Metal

Contributor Note: Asking Goldman Sachs to help you manage your money, is like asking Hannibal Lecter to help you manage your children.....

Goldman Sucks Tells Its "Special" Clients To Sell Gold Even As It Raises Its Price Target On The Shiny Metal
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/goldman-goes-goo-goo-gold-gold-market-poised-rally-us-real-rates-head-lower (click here to read report)
by Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge, Contributed to Vatic by Anonymous, USA

Goldman dedicates 9 pages to a regime change in which it goes openly bullish on gold. The report is attached, which we present without commentary but as always, if there is one flashing red light saying the peak price for any asset has been hit, it is a Strong Buy signal by Goldman. (VN: now remember the rule for good investors: "Buy low, sell high", but what he just said that Goldman does is recommend, when the instrument is "high" or "Peaked", to "buy", which is opposite normal investing wisdom) The report will likely result in a brief pop in spot over the next 24 hours as the idiot money rushes into the latest Goldman trap. Alas, it also means that GS is now offloading. Be very wary of market dynamics over the next month. (VN: I found this video below just after reading this and felt it fit the situation perfectly, Its a classic example of "cognitive dissonance" which Goldman Sucks creates all the time and is better known in psychiatric circles as "crazy making"). I think you will see the connection when you play the video. Enjoy the parody.

Star Trek - Liar Paradox


Black Ops Insiders Reveal Secrets

Vatic Note:  Its one thing to speculate about black ops or psychops and its another to know... based on a whistle blower providing the inside scoop, and more and more of that is happening.  The irony is the Whistle blowing that "used" to go through the system, is no longer going through that system, rather its going through the internet system that has been very nicely put in place for us.   Its the only way these whistle blowers can remain safe in doing what their conscience dictates.   Its also a way to keep a record that is spread all over the globe so it can't really be erased, someone somewhere has a copy.   Any other way has resulted in the deaths of those who have tried, with no results since the MSM will not give us the news or the truth about anything.  Please read our Contributors Note, its very enlightening.

Contributors Note:   The technology described below which is used to discredit and frame dissenters is accurate. This should be of GREAT concern to everyone.

Edgar Steele is only one of many who have been railroaded and sent to prison where the U.S. Government can beam directed energy weapons, slow poison while utilizing other secret technologies meant to invisibly murder [neutralize] the victim without leaving a shred of evidence.

“Often there are duties assigned to agent teams that some of us won’t follow, due to a certain amount of concern for fellow Americans and patriotism for their own country,” says a former U.S. military psy-op agent known to us only as “Sinbad.” He cannot divulge his true name and credentials for reasons that will become even more obvious in this report.

He says that the U.S., the British and the Israeli Mossad are the best in the world at “misleading and misdirecting the focus of the masses toward selected evidence, subjects and targets.”

For the past 30 years, retired Phoenix police officer Jack McLamb has published Aid & Abet, a monthly newsletter for the military and police to help educate them on the perilous New World Order, best defined as a calculated political and economic consolidation on a global scale. “Sinbad” is a regular subscriber, and the letter we speak of went to McLamb’s Idaho office with permission to reprint but with the request that the original be burned. McLamb says he complied.

This writer also suspects that “Sinbad,” because of the timeliness of his spending several paragraphs explaining the high-tech ability governments have in falsifying evidence, may have seen the story in the Aug. 2 edition of AFP on the recent plight of Idaho attorney Edgar Steele and the alleged “murder for hire” that reeked of an FBI setup and the framing of Steele.

“One successful use of our talents is in creating realistic but false videos, DVDs or audio recordings of individuals to be used as ‘evidence’ of a crime,” wrote “Sinbad” in his letter. “One of our easiest duties today, with all the new technology, is in creating this kind of false evidence.”

Black Ops Insiders Reveal Secrets

August 30, 2010 issue , Provided to Vatic Project by Leslie O,  USA
By Pat Shannan

Most Americans haven’t heard the terms “psy-warfare” or “psy-op,” nor can they define these buzzwords. Both terms, with reference to world politics, terrorist events and war, connote in a layman’s explanation that “things usually ain’t what they appear.”

According to a recent letter from an active operative, our government leaders have a plethora of “specialists” and are hiring, from time to time, any number of the tens of thousands of mercenaries—often retired Special
Forces soldiers—who have made themselves available for secret duty in more than 40 countries. These “private contractors” commit unspeakable acts on orders from our own government leaders, many times against U.S. citizens.

The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC

Vatic Note:   This is up to remind us of precedence..... is our government and our allies willing to use domestically,  nukes against us without telling us and thus allowing our people to die of blood cancer which is a direct result of using nukes and radiation?  Are they willing to use them to meet their "DEPOPULATION" objective???   Would then the use of radiation from the Japanese nukes, make a lot more sense if they were willing to do so on 9-11???  Yes, it does make a lot more sense to understand just how willing the Israeli controlled gov is in doing just what they also do in Israel experimenting using the Palestinians as fodder for their weaponry and plans.   

Update: The US Government’s Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTCBy Ed Ward, MD
March 05, 2007

The Mysterious Craters:
A thorough examination the debris of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings reveals further evidence of massive power and heat - a thermonuclear blast. WTC 6 was 8 stories high. The total height of its central debris of the crater was about 30 to 50 feet below sea level and about 120 feet wide. Eight stories of building collapses and leaves a hole at least 30 feet deep.

Light Detection and Ranging - LIDAR displays from NOAA - Dark Green = 0 to -30 feet.

Another LIDAR map shows the central portion depth of WTC 6 in the range of -35 to -55 feet. Besides the crater in WTC 6, note the two craters that surround WTC 1 (perimeters are 30 feet deep and 250 to 300 feet wide) and WTC 2 (perimeters are 30 feet deep and more than 300 feet wide - some overlapping of the explosions). WTC 1 - 110 stories tall - debris pile 6 stories with a 30 feet crater surrounding it. WTC 2 - 110 stories tall - debris pile 6 stories high with a 30 feet crater surrounding it. WTC 3 (Marriott) - 22 stories tall - debris pile 3 stories. WTC 4 - 9 stories tall - debris pile 3 stories (the only building that is even close to its correct debris height). WTC 6 - 8 stories tall - debris pile MINUS 3 stories. WTC 7 - 47 stories tall - debris pile 7 stories. The New York times has a crude interactive map placing the crater depth at -30 feet. According to the official story, beams from WTC 1 collapsed the building. However, the collapse did not make a debris pile. It made a debris hole. (BTW, no supposed unspecified vague ‘scalar’ weapon can make these massive craters beneath intact debris.)

For those not as familiar with the WTC site as the author, a reference map is included.

The Persistent Hot spots:

Gulf Shrimpers Reporting Clean 1st Day Catch: Fishermen Say No Tar Balls Foul Water

Vatic Note: Excuse me again. Grand Isle, La??? Wasn't that where all the oil destroyed all the shrimp beds, oyster beds, etc etc etc??? It ruined the marshes, and destroyed any life of any kind? Depleted the oxygen so all sealife would die? I am really confused now. Oh, thats right, that is in the protocols. Confuse and distract. Well, it appears the shrimp are not old dead shrimp, rather shrimp that was caught live since they had not had a chance to change color yet. I suspect we have been seriously jerked around as many of the residents have. Who is doing the fishing is the next question? Also remember, BP went around to all the scientists in the areas and got many of them under contract with stringent rules about who they work for and what they are to say. Oil remaining is in confllict with the fisherman and the pictures of their catch. Also keep in mind that the press is now allowed access to everywhere and the fisherman are back at their trade and are saying "we see no oil" anywhere, if it was below the boats, it would get on the nets and the fish. So what is true??? I still hold that this has all been the biggest scam in the history of the world.

Gulf Shrimpers Reporting Clean 1st Day Catch
Fishermen Say No Tar Balls Foul Water, But Scientists Say 80% of Oil Remains, Contradicting Gov't Claims
GRAND ISLE, La., Aug. 17, 2010 ,

(AP) Commercial shrimpers out for the first season since BP's disastrous spill indicated their catch was plentiful and free of oil, despite a report by scientists that much of the crude remains below the surface of the Gulf.

Fishermen spent much of the summer mopping up oil but got back to work as the fall shrimping season in Louisiana's coastal waters opened Monday amid anxiety over whether the catch will be tainted by crude and whether anyone will buy it even if it is clean.

"We're not seeing any oil where I'm at. No tar balls, nothing," said Brian Amos, a 53-year-old shrimper who trawled in his 28-foot skiff, The Rolling Thunder, in a bay near Empire.

Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says

Vatic Note: Remember, it was the bankers that recruited Hitler when he was trying to establish himself as an artist. Once he won the election, you can see how we are right now and who guided us to this place from the beginning starting with Zbig back in 1997 when he wrote his empire building book, and then through all administrations since then he has been behind the scenes for his bosses, Rockefeller and Rothschild with both administrations heavily embued with dual Israeli citizens who were neocons under Bush and neolibs under Obama, with the "neo" part being the real agenda, global domination. I believe that is what happened to Hitler as well, only it didn't work or he was designated to lose. I remember a biography I saw of Hitler that said his father was the illegitimate son of a rothschild in Austria where his mother, a house servant, was bedded by a Rothschild, got pregnant and had Hitlers father. I will try to find that again and provide the link.   All existing studies fail to compare modern Jewish populations' DNA to ancient Judean DNA and medieval Khazarian DNA, but in the absence of old DNA, comparisons with living populations appear to be adequate to trace geographic roots.  I believe once they do that we will have a much better picture of who is what and they will have to do that to retain the good reputation of the sepharic Jews that is currently on the line and under attack caused by the Khazars and their ancient cultural values, which definitely does not fit with that of its neighbors.  Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says

Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, Bloomberg, contributed to vatic by Jerry Mills, Taiwan

Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported.

Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said.

The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named "Norbert H," the Daily Mail reported.

A chromosome called "Haplogroup E1b1b," or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said.

"It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews," Vermeeren said.

Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that "[o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," the Daily Mail reported.

(VN:  will try to get more info on this connection between the house of Rothschild and Hitler and Jewry, its becoming a bit more complicated than we first thought.  Its worth the effort to pursue it down that rabbit hole.   Here is a link to my first clue that is sending me on my way.)

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Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups

Two Israeli groups set up training courses in Wikipedia editing with aims to 'show the other side' over borders and culture

Two Israeli groups have set up 'Zionist editing' courses with aims to alter perceptions about Israel. Photograph: David Silverman/Getty Images

Since the earliest days of the worldwide web, the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians has seen its rhetorical counterpart fought out on the talkboards and chatrooms of the internet.

Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

An Israeli flag in the former Gaza Strip settlement of Neve Dekalim 
Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site.
"We don't want to change Wikipedia or turn it into a propaganda arm," says Naftali Bennett, director of the Yesha Council. "We just want to show the other side. People think that Israelis are mean, evil people who only want to hurt Arabs all day."

Wikipedia is one of the world's most popular websites, and its 16m entries are open for anyone to edit, rewrite or even erase. The problem, according to Ayelet Shaked of Israel Sheli, is that online, pro-Israeli activists are vastly outnumbered by pro-Palestinian voices. "We don't want to give this arena to the other side," she said. "But we are so few and they are so many. People in the US and Europe never hear about Israel's side, with all the correct arguments and explanations."

Like others involved with this project, Shaked thinks that her government is "not doing a very good job" of explaining Israel to the world.


August 22, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · Veterans Today publication, Provided to Vatic by Erica Stuart, PHD international affairs, Ca, USA

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

How can a nation like the United States be duped into two wars and total bankruptcy? It would be one thing if the “truth” about 9/11 was internet conspiracy theory. This isn’t the case. It was all right there in everyone’s living room. They fooled us once and then fooled us again and again. Yes, America has some tail to kick but this time, maybe we should make sure our boot goes up the right rear end for a change.

The real hole in the Pentagon, before construction equipment enlarged it was so small a man had to duck his head to enter. For 9 years, this photograph was captioned “Second Floor.” This photograph has a firefighter in the foreground and, unless gravity was suspended on 9/11, he is standing on the Pentagon’s lawn. Listen to CNN describe a crash site with no aircraft parts of any kind, seats, bodies, wings, engines, tail section….none of it. Can it be this simple?

The CNN reporter at the Pentagon immediately after the “crash” found no aircraft debris. After closing off the site, the next morning, huge pieces of plane were hauled away, pieces that weren’t in any of the photographs on 9/11. I hate it when media stooges scripted by the real terrorists don’t check the time carefully enough.


Report: Kahana’s JDL reorganizing to provide Amb. Oren security at US public events

Vatic Note: Looks like they also know who America's enemy is since they decided to take these security steps, it must mean they are in fact planning another false flag they intend to do and thus would be proving they are our enemy and thus rightly so should hire security. We have all their pictures. Good idea. If they do not plan on another American murdering false flag event, then they are safe and fine here except they should leave since we are out of money anyway and we will not give or make anymore that they can take, so they should go suck off the Queen for awhile or maybe their baby sarkosy. lol That would be fun to watch the french react to them when they do to the french what they did to us. The guillotines would be flying left and right. I love the french. They know how to throw a revolutionary party. lol  

Seriously,  no joke, this was a terrorist organization, until it was banned by Israel some time back.  You can read about it here.  Its being revived and will operate out of the US, with no word of any kind out of the mouth of Homeland security, (now do you wonder why I say Israel runs this country? A terrorist organization from Israel running free from any restraint and just check out the threats below.  Intimidation of the cattle I suspect. ).  so I guess terrorist orgs can come here as long as they are terrorist orgs that we like.  Is there such a thing?    Hmmmm, another example of a double standard.   Talk about domestic terrorists,  maybe the SPLC and ADL should clean their own back yard before coming here to slander our citizens who have done nothing close to what the JDL has done in the past.

Report: Kahana’s JDL reorganizing to provide Amb. Oren security at US public events
February 14, 2010 Didi Remez

On Thursday (February 11, 2010,) we reported on the involvement of Kahanists in anti-NIF advocacy in the US. The story below, from this morning’s Israel Hayom (a tabloid owned by Sheldon Adelson,) reports that (apparently following the UC Irvine incident)  they are now organizing to provide security for Ambassador Michael Oren and other Israeli dignitaries at US public events. Hopefully, the results of this initiative will not resemble scenes from The Altamont Free Concert.

Kahana lives? Kahana is revived

The initiative: To revive the Jewish Defense League that Kahana founded; The goal: To protect Israeli speakers abroad

Efrat Porsher, Israel Hayom, February 14 2010

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon and Israel’s US Ambassador Michael Oren may not like the new initiative, but in the wake of recent incidents, they and other representatives of Israel worldwide are in for some unexpected help from extreme-right activists.

In recent days, prominent right-wing activists conversed with activists of the Jewish Defense League abroad, as well as with other right-wing activists and students who attend universities in the USA and Europe, who expressed an interest in the idea of reviving the League. The Jewish Defense League was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahana in the late 1960s, and it was active for some two decades before it faded away.


The idea to revive the League was born after pro-Palestinian students interrupted lectures by Ayalon and Oren in US and British universities. The League will work in two directions. First, organization activists will show up at events that Israeli diplomats are expected to address and try to prevent students from interrupting their lectures. Second, they will prevent diplomats from enemy countries or from countries that are hostile toward Israel from speaking at university venues. “Those who exploded events attended by Israeli representatives will live to regret it,” said right-wing activist Itamar Ben-Gvir.

Kach, Kahana’s political movement, was outlawed in 1988.

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Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD!! A MUST READ!!!!!!

Vatic Note:   THIS IS A MUST READ!!! Its literally a fait accompli, if we can ever get this evidence that is powerful beyond belief, in front of a jury, these men will go to jail and serve serious time for MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, PLANNED, FUNDED AND EXECUTED.   You will be impressed with the evidence, not including all the technical evidence either,  this is only on "who" did it.   We have all their pictures up for your pleasure and use.  If Israel does another false flag and kills more Americans to get us to go to war with Iran,  this below, must now take on a more important significance.   I thank Bruecke for finding this.   You won't be able to pull it up on the "search engine", since they have seen to it that it won't show up as one of the options.  So COPY AND PASTE THIS NOW BEFORE ITS GONE, LIKE THE OKC PROOFS OF GOV COMPLICITY. 

This article was written and prepared by ZCF (zioncrimefactory); MonkeySeeMonkeyDo

For a more in depth look at the Israeli 9-11 attack it is recommended that you read Christopher Bollyn's book Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World. Another similar exposay of the Jews who perpetrated this dastardly act can be read here. Or, if you are not a fan of long reading, watch 9-11 Missing Links.

Israel did 9/11

Figuring out exactly how 9/11 was done is the work of crime investigators or conspiracy hobbyists who will endlessly go on discussing and debating every minuscule and intricate detail of the event to no avail. It doesn't take a structural engineer to tell you that two 110 story buildings and a 47 story steel skyscraper plummeting to the ground at nearly free-fall speed requires the assistance of explosives. All you need is two eyes that can see and a brain that thinks to come to that sound conclusion. This is why it is of my opinion that more emphasis should be placed on the "who" instead of the "how". It should be obvious to anyone that discovering 'who did 9/11' is infinitely more important than discovering how they did it.

An Uncanny Prediction Comes True
First we start off with an unusual and eerie prediction that was made by a most suspicious individual. This prediction, in unison with the status of the person of who made it, is extremely indicative and foretelling of who planned and executed 9/11.

The Secret Order of The Illuminati

(A Brief History of the "Moriah" and the Shadow Government)
by Wes Penre for Illuminati News, November 27, 2003


The word Illuminati means 1. People claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to a subject. 2. Illuminati Any of various groups claiming special religious enlightenment.  Latin illmint, from pl. of illmintus, past participle of illminre, to light up. See illuminate

Like the definitions tell us, any group which considers itself "enlightened" could rightfully call themselves the Illuminati. This is also the case! If you google "The Illuminati", you will find quite a few groups claiming this name. It can be confusing, so before we continue, I want to make very clear that the Illuminati we are discussing here is NOT a benevolent secret society who wants to bring peace and harmony to this world by helping to bring back freedom to the people.  I know such a benevolent group exists and also happens to call itself "The Illuminati", so I apologize if some people will mix up the different groups. The Illuminati I am exposing here is the super-rich Power Elite with an ambition to create a slave society!

The Illuminati are the top players on the International playground, basically belonging to the 
thirteen of the wealthiest families in the world, and they are the men who really rule the world from behind the scenes (yes, they are mostly men, with a few exceptions). They are the REAL Decision Makers, who make up the rules for presidents and governments to follow, and they are often held from public scrutiny, as their action can't stand scrutiny. They are connected by bloodlines going back thousands and thousands of years in time, and they are very careful keeping those bloodlines as pure as possible from generation to generation. The only way to do so is by interbreeding. That is why you so often see royalties marry royalties, for example. Their parents decide whom their children should marry.

Israel: With friends like this...

Vatic Note: I am and was very impressed with his knowledge and presentation. He understood exactly what the issues are in this subject while 90% of the people have no idea what is underlying all our destruction, pain and losses of wealth and the blood of our children, while Israel's children do not have to bleed, get maimed, or die for Israel and they sure as hell won't do that for the US. We already know what Netanyahu thinks about us. Here, check it out.  

"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away." - Benjamin Netanyahu. A comment made by Netanyahu to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor and spy) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell.

Israel: With friends like this...

GMO Crop Sabotage on the Rise: French citizens destroy trial vineyard (Viva La France!!!!)

Contributors note: VIVA LA FRANCE!!!!!!

Vatic Note: I could not agree with the contributor more. Now,  doesn't France know how to throw a revolution..... and it looks like she is about to lead the way. Are we prepared to follow? This has to be a global revolution against the entire lot of them, the blood lines must end here and now. Otherwise we will be back to this down the road, just like humanity has experienced throughout the centuries. No more. Capish, enough.

GMO Crop Sabotage on the Rise: French citizens destroy trial vineyard
By Rady Ananda, Food Freedom, contributed to Vatic Project by Anonymous, USA

Early Sunday morning, French police stood helpless as sixty people, locked inside an open-air field of genetically modified grapevines, uprooted all the plants. In Spain last month, dozens of people destroyed two GMO fields. On the millennial cusp, Indian farmers burned Bt cotton in their Cremate Monsanto campaign. Ignored by multinational corporations and corrupt public policy makers, citizens act to protect the food supply and the planet.

The French vineyard is the same field attacked last year when the plants were only cut. But the security features installed after that incident kept authorities at bay while the group accomplished its mission yesterday.

Speaking for the group, Olivier Florent told Le Figero that they condemned the use of public funds for open-field testing of GMOs “that we do not want.”

Pitching tents in the rain near France’s National Institute for Agronomic Research (INRA) site in Colmar the night before, the group waited until 5 AM before converging on the site and locking the gates behind them. They uprooted all 70 plants, then submitted to arrest.


Civilians to Take U.S. Lead After Military Leaves Iraq

Vatic Note: Hmmm, "no accountability" private contractors take over, huh? In fact, it was reported today, that it would be more than the actual American troops that left today, so no difference, just less controllable players which may not be so bad since, nukes maybe used on Iran and thus have a deadly affect on any soldiers left behind in Iraq.   Well, its just another reason we need to get rid of this group running our government, first of all because they are inhumane in their treatment of those who are not their own. The second reason is the perversion we saw in pictures of the Israeli private contractors who were engaging in sexual exploitations between them and took pictures that made it out to the public and embarrassed everyone, including our gov that hired them. They are up on the blog for you to see, UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN GUTTED, like the OKC articles. This is truly obscene that we are allowing this to happen.

Civilians to Take U.S. Lead After Military Leaves Iraq
August 18, 2010, by Michael R. Gordon, Provided to vatic by CLG Newsletter, Lori Price, http://www.legitgov.org/

 WASHINGTON — As the United States military prepares to leave Iraq by the end of 2011, the Obama administration is planning a remarkable civilian effort, buttressed by a small army of contractors, to fill the void.

By October 2011, the State Department will assume responsibility for training the Iraqi police, a task that will largely be carried out by contractors. With no American soldiers to defuse sectarian tensions in northern Iraq, it will be up to American diplomats in two new $100 million outposts to head off potential confrontations between the Iraqi Army and Kurdish pesh merga forces.

To protect the civilians in a country that is still home to insurgents with Al Qaeda and Iranian-backed militias, the State Department is planning to more than double its private security guards, up to as many as 7,000, according to administration officials who disclosed new details of the plan. Defending five fortified compounds across the country, the security contractors would operate radars to warn of enemy rocket attacks, search for roadside bombs, fly reconnaissance drones and even staff quick reaction forces to aid civilians in distress, the officials said.

“I don’t think State has ever operated on its own, independent of the U.S. military, in an environment that is quite as threatening on such a large scale,” said James Dobbins, a former ambassador who has seen his share of trouble spots as a special envoy for Afghanistan, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo and Somalia. “It is unprecedented in scale.”

First Oiled Turtles Released in Gulf after Rehab

Vatic Note: Excuse me? I just read a whole bunch of type saying the gulf was destroyed, no oxygen, the plums were worse than they thought, the oil was moving into the jet stream and killing fish all along the coast line from the gulf to the east coast. So what in the world are they doing releasing these endangered species back into such a horrific, FEARFUL, and earth destroying environment??? Can anyone please explain this to me??? I desparately need a reality check here. Something is not lining up at all.   If I allowed it, this back and forth would drive me crazy, but I refuse to allow that to occur.   Until I see hard evidence of all this doom and gloom and it matches the behavior, then I will not believe it until then.   That tactic eliminates the uncalled for fear until its proven to be needed and real.  

First Oiled Turtles Released in Gulf after Rehab
CEDAR KEY, Fla. , Aug. 18, 2010,

Rescuers Released 22 Oiled Sea Turtles into Fla. Area Unaffected by Spilled Crude (VN: remember this phrase)

AP) The first rehabilitated turtles oiled by BP's massive leak were released back into the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday, with scientists saying that animals taken in by rescuers including birds - appear more resilient than first feared.

Retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, who is overseeing the oil crisis for the government, helped release the 22 oiled sea turtles about a mile off the coast of Cedar Key, Fla., an area unaffected by the spilled crude. They were the first oiled turtles found in the Gulf and rehabilitated.

"I think it's emblematic of us starting to look forward in the recovery," Allen said, smiling as he released some of the turtles. "This is a very pristine environment. This is their natural habitat."

Even though oil spill rescue crews have brought more sea turtles and birds to shore in the month since BP capped its broken well than the previous month, wildlife officials said both kinds of animals have suffered less damage than originally projected.

Rogue Arizona sheriff refuses to comply with Feds

Vatic Note:  All over the country, sheriffs are starting to take a stand against infringement on their authority provided for in the constitution, and rightly so.   In fact, the Constitution gives absolutely 0 authority for the feds to do any law enforcement.  Usually the laws they are trying to enforce are in total violation of the governing document of this nation.   Now how did we allow that to happen?  Sheriffs have also been winning in court as well.  That is how many of them have finally set a boundary and stood by it protecting their citizens against Federal gestapo tactics for the banks and IRS AND ATF.  

Rogue Arizona sheriff refuses to comply with Feds
By John Byrne, Raw Story, provided to Vatic by Anonymous, USA
Tuesday, August 17th, 2010

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is at it again.  A lawyer for the rogue Arizona sheriff who's staked his position as one of the most vociferous defenders of Arizona's new draconian immigration law now says his client will not comply  with a request from the Feds to turn over documents related to a civil rights investigation.

Arizona's new immigration law requires officers enforcing other laws to check a person's immigration status if they suspect the person is in the country illegally. Critics have labeled it racial profiling, and the Obama Administration has taken moves to overrule it.

Arpaio, who polices the most populous county in Arizona, has drawn national attention for his aggressive tactics.  In July, the Maricopa County Sheriff said that if protesters want to block his jail over the new law, he'd put them in it.
Arpaio told Good Morning America that he didn't understand what the "hype" was about the law.
In April, Arpaio also claimed that driving (Illegal) immigrants out of the US would create job openings  for US citizens.

In April, the sheriff said of the civil rights case -- in which he's now refusing to turn over documents -- that "60 days into the Obama administration, [Obama] sent his Justice Department down to the Phoenix area to investigate me for alleged racial profiling. It's been a year and a half and nothing has happened. So, we know how to enforce the illegal immigration laws without racial profiling."

Robert Driscoll, Arpaio's attorney, says the sheriff is refusing because the Justice Department's request is too broad.

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Obama takes a dip to encourage Gulf Coast tourism (in Gulf waters)

Vatic Note: now confess, is this or is this not "crazy making"??? Daily we get mixed messages from the system that its a total disaster, the oil plume is moving up the coast and killing tons of fish, and then we get shrimpers coming back from fishing in the Louisiana gulf off shore and bringing back shrimp that were alive, now how is that possible  with all the horrible stuff we were fed, like no oxygen at the bottom of the gulf, which is where the shrimp live and breath.... and then we see they died from being caught (you can tell my the color of the shrimp) , so what the heck really is going on in the gulf???? WE then also get news that Recovered endangered turtles are being put back into the gulf, huh???   Now, which BS story is it?  Do we buy Fear or Risk.  

Obama takes a dip to encourage Gulf Coast tourism
Latest update: 15/08/2010 , France 24 publication, AP

US President Barack Obama took his daughter Sasha for a swim in the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday to help convince Americans that the largely tourism-dependent region was safe for travel after the BP oil spill disaster.
By News Wires (text)
Fiona CAMERON (video) (Click on link above for video)

AP - President Barack Obama declared Gulf Coast beaches clean, safe and open for business Saturday as he brought his family to the Florida Panhandle and promised residents that the government wouldn’t forget them once efforts to stop the leak are finished.

On a warm and muggy day, Obama pledged to “keep up our efforts until the environment is cleaned, polluters are held accountable, businesses and communities are made whole, and the people of the Gulf Coast are back on their feet.”

Obama is in the region for a brief weekend trip with first lady Michelle Obama, daughter Sasha (her sister Malia is at summer camp) and the family dog, Bo. Their 27-hour stop in the Sunshine State is as much a family vacation as it is an attempt by the president to convince Americans that this region, so dependent on tourism revenue, is safe for travel _ and that its surf is clean.

To reinforce that message, Obama and Sasha swam Saturday, according to White House spokesman Bill Burton. The highly anticipated dip was away from the media’s view. The Obamas swam in Saint Andrew Bay off of Alligator Point, technically not the Gulf, according to maps.