Cheney Exposes Torture Conspiracy

Source: Consortium News

Title: Cheney Exposes Torture Conspiracy

Cheney admits crime of torture?   Just a reminder of how we got here to criminal prosecution of Rumsfeld
By:   Robert Parry
Date:   02/14/2010

If the United States had a functioning criminal justice system for the powerful – not just for run-of-the-mill offenders – former Vice President Dick Cheney would have convicted himself and some of his Bush administration colleagues with his comments on ABC’s “This Week.”

On Sunday, Cheney pronounced himself “a big supporter of waterboarding,” a near-drowning technique that has been regarded as torture back to the Spanish Inquisition and that has long been treated by U.S. authorities as a serious war crime, such as when Japanese commanders were prosecuted for using it on American prisoners during World War II.

What Torture Is and Why It's Illegal and Not "Poor Judgment"

Source:  Truthout.org

Title:    What Torture Is and Why It's Illegal and Not "Poor Judgment"
By:    Andy Worthington, Truthout, news analysis
Date:    03/01/2010

It's now over two weeks since veteran Justice Department (DOJ) lawyer David Margolis dashed the hopes of those seeking accountability for the Bush administration's torturers, but this is a story of such profound importance that it must not be allowed to slip away.

Margolis decided that an internal report into the conduct of John Yoo and Jay S. Bybee, who wrote the notorious memos in August 2002, which attempted to redefine torture so that it could be used by the CIA, was mistaken in concluding that both men were guilty of "professional misconduct," and should be referred to their bar associations for disciplinary action.

Instead, Margolis concluded, in a memo that shredded four years of investigative work by the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), the DOJ's ethics watchdog, that Yoo and Bybee had merely exercised "poor judgment." As lawyers in the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), which is charged with providing objective legal advice to the executive branch on all constitutional questions, Yoo and Bybee attempted to redefine torture as the infliction of physical pain "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death," or the infliction of mental pain which "result[s] in significant psychological harm of significant duration e.g. lasting for months or even years."

Court Allows Torture Suit Against Rumsfeld

Source:   Global Research,  Huffington post

Title:    Court Allows Torture Suit Against Rumsfeld


By:    Andy Thayer

Date:   March 11, 2010

Federal Judge Wayne R. Andersen issued a historic ruling Friday allowing a suit charging former Defense Secretary with authorizing torture.


Matt Taibbi on how Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression

Source:  Rolling Stone Mag,  provided by Graham Jukes

Title:  Inside The Great American Bubble Machine

Matt Taibbi on how Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression
By:   Matt Taibbi
Date:  Rolling Stone Issue 1082-83

Watch the video first and then read the article.   The video is very well done. 


In Rolling Stone Issue 1082-83, Matt Taibbi takes on "the Wall Street Bubble Mafia" — investment bank Goldman Sachs (click here to read the whole story). The piece has generated controversy, with Goldman Sachs firing back that Taibbi's piece is "an hysterical compilation of conspiracy theories" and a spokesman adding, "We reject the assertion that we are inflators of bubbles and profiteers in busts, and we are painfully conscious of the importance in being a force for good." Taibbi shot back: "Goldman has its alumni pushing its views from the pulpit of the U.S. Treasury, the NYSE, the World Bank, and numerous other important posts; it also has former players fronting major TV shows. They have the ear of the president if they want it." Here, now, are excerpts from Matt Taibbi's piece and video of Taibbi exploring the key issues.

NY FED Under Geithner implicated in Lehman Accounting Fraud Allegation-"Breaking News"

Vatic Note:  Lets also remember, those of you on my list, that I had submitted proof to the FBI of fraud the night before the insolvency was announced when sunday evening the Fed Res Chair, Bernanke,  Paulson, and Lehman CEO met in NY at about 6 pm and the following Wednesday it was discovered they received $350 million dollars/euros from the Bank of Germany (it was monday morning in Germany) and then proceeded to retain the funds and place the debt into the bailout.

No explanation as to where the funds went or where they are now, someone has $385 million they didn' t have at 6 pm sunday.  It obviously didn't go into lehman's company.   A cover up?   In a normal bancruptcy when all parties are aware they intend to file bancruptcy the next day and then proceed to extract funds from those who do not know, then keep the funds, and place the debt into the filing, it is fraud on its face.   The FBI announced an investigation that day when it came out in the German papers what had happened.   Once the investigation was reported, all of a sudden the Bush FBI cancelled it.  Why?   Would this info below have been exposed if the investigation went forward???  Is that why the smaller fraud got buried???  It also means that both Paulson and Bernanke are also complicit since they were at that meeting according to GATA who had a reporter present outside the meeting and saw them all go inside the building. 

Source:  Naked Capitalism- article provided by Jim Kirwan, Vatic contributor

Title:    NY FED Under Geithner implicated in Lehman Accounting Fraud Allegation
By:   Publication blogger - Breaking News
Date:  03-12-2010

Quite a few observers, have been stunned and frustrated at the refusal to investigate what was almost certain accounting fraud at Lehman. Despite the bankruptcy administrator’s effort to blame the gaping hole in Lehman’s balance sheet on its disorderly collapse, the idea that the firm, which was by its own accounts solvent, would suddenly spring a roughly $130+ billion hole in its $660 billion balance sheet, is simply implausible on its face. Indeed, it was such common knowledge in the Lehman flailing about period that Lehman’s accounts were such that Hank Paulson’s recent book mentions repeatedly that Lehman’s valuations were phony as if it were no big deal.

NEWS BRIEF: "ID Card for Workers Is at Center of Immigration Plan

Vatic Note:   The Federal Government may be planning to use the crisis over Illegal Workers as the ruse to force National ID cards on every American worker!  But, the news gets worse: The method planned for the ID is Biometric Identification.   Is this another "ruse" to further invade our right to privacy and gut the Bill of Rights?   There is a line which few will willingly cross, and I think this comes close to that line.  Whether that is the line or not, only the American people will finally say.   Make millions unemployed, starving, without any means of support, then will we be more willing to accept this Chain of slavery?  What next?   If you dissent, they will turn off your chip???  Then what?  No work?  All good questions.

Source:    The Wall Street Journal, provided by

Title:    NEWS BRIEF: "ID Card for Workers Is at Center of Immigration Plan"

By:      Laura Mecklar
Date:   March 9, 2010

Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain."


Bill Gates talks about ‘vaccines to reduce population’

Vatic Note:  After reading this, if you do not feel outraged, then you have missed the point.   Please read this one all the way through to understand that Eugenics research, that was begun in the 1920's and advanced in the 30's & 40's by the Rockefeller foundation and other robber barons through Dr. Mengeles under Nazi rule. It is not only alive and well today, but further along than at anytime in its history and with the robber baron's control over governments and the secret advancements in technology now at unprecedented levels, it is almost beyond control.    This will give you a strong background of the players, the level of money, and the victims intended to be eugenicized, if that is a word.   The inhumane part about all this is if they had tried bringing people together globally and brought them on board re: the population issue, it could have resulted in a more inclusive, humane, and creative treatment of the problem, than those being offered by the few, the perverted and the incestuous, all because of a misplaced sense of Godhood brought on by their wealth. 

Source:   The One Click Group - Great Britian

Title:   Bill Gates talks about ‘vaccines to reduce population’
By:   F. William Engdahl
Date:    March 4, 2010

Microsoft founder and one of the world’s wealthiest men, Bill Gates, projects an image of a benign philanthropist using his billions via his (tax exempt) Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, to tackle diseases, solve food shortages in Africa and alleviate poverty. In a recent conference in California, Gates reveals a less public agenda of his philanthropy—population reduction, otherwise known as eugenics.

Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

Vatic Notes:  A reminder article about the Cheney think tank called the New American Century  published in 2000 before they won/stole the election.   Its important given the information now coming out about all the bioweapons that have now been used on Americans and the bioweapons facilities now going into neighborhoods.  Why?  Unsuspecting experiments on citizens in neighborhoods?   We published an article on Morgellons disease on here http://www.viewzone.com/morgellons2.html  that is now believed to be a bioweapon and epidemic in this country as was the AIDS virus that is now proven was distributed through the small pox vaccine.   Also remember 69 or more microbiologists have been killed since 2001. More is coming on this so rereading this below with the bold print kept in mind, will be important for the other articles on the way.  

Source:   http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735

Title:     Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

By Neil Mackay

Date:   15 September 2002    a reminder. 

A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

Weaknesses Found in Safety Assessment of Planned Biodefense Lab

Source:  http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20100305_6437.php

Title:   Weaknesses Found in Safety Assessment of Planned Biodefense Lab

By:    Global Newswire Staff
Date:    Friday, March 5, 2010

The U.S. Army should fine-tune its procedures for determining safety risks in its projects following slip-ups in plans for the new site of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Md., a National Academy of Sciences committee said in a report issued Thursday (see GSN, Sept. 23, 2009).


Greek police stormed a government printing

Vatic Note:   This article explains why a part of our people to people initiative is geared towards recruiting our law enforcement and military to remain with the people against domestic enemies within each country or better said,  International bankers who are extracting wealth from the nation through control of our respective governments.   The picture will be put up shortly and you will see what the law enforcement did to aid the people against the actions of those betraying their people.  Remember the IMF was the instigator in Greece of these problems, which is an arm of the international Rothschild cabal.   RESISTANCE is an option of last resort, so lets make this people to people initiative work if we can. 

Source:   http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftop.rbc.ru%2Fincidents%2F08%2F03%2F2010%2F377878.shtml%3Ffrom%3Dstartqip

Title:    Greek police stormed a government printing
Date:   08 марта 2010  (03/08/2010) 

In Athens, MUP Greece stormed the state printing office. It is reported by TV Channel "Russian 24".

Greek Police want to prevent the publication of Government paper with the text of the law of the new stringent economy measures of the Federal Budget. According to the law of the country, a passed law can come into force only after publication in the official newspaper of the Government of Greece.

The bill, which caused such a reaction, provides a significant reduction in salaries, bonuses and holiday pay, the growth of other taxes and excise taxes .

The Government expects the additional Austerity measures will bring the budget 4.8 billion Euros of additional revenue that would allow reduction in the state budget deficit to the level of 4% against the deficit of Greece in 8.7% of GDP.

Recall also that the staff of the principal of the Greek airline Olmpic Airlines, sacked after sending the airline into private hands, the fifth consecutive day hold in their hands the building of the Chief Financial Management (Treasury), Greece. Because of their actions partially offset by a central Athens street Panepistimiu.

The article is reproduced in accordance with Section 107 of title 17 of the Copyright Law of the United States relating to fair-use and is for the purposes of criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.

Health “efficiency” means murder - (Australia)

Vatic Note:    It appears their current publically controlled system is simply not working with only 25% of funds reaching patient care.   Is this what we can expect in a governmentally run health care system?  Its already a problem in our Vets and American Indian health care system which are both failing.   Is this another tool for depopulation and eugenics (who is of value to society?).   Keep that in mind, since so far, nothing the elite has done  toward this new global governance of a facsist nature,  has had any benefit to the citizens of these nations.  This gives us all larger perspective on just how coordinated and sold out our leaders are when they follow a game plan at the same time with the same push and elements contained therein, thus our only option is to do the same thing.  Join the "global people to people initiative" above and email your info to vatic2010@gmail.com and join the fight to gain back control of our respective nations, and change that which is already in place.  .  

Source:   Citizens Electoral Council of Australia, press release

Title:    Health “efficiency” means murder

By:   Craig Isherwood‚ National Secretary

Date:   3/9/2010

The stated goal of the Rudd government’s federal health takeover—increased “efficiency”—means more institutionalised, bureaucratic mass murder, Citizens Electoral Council leader Craig Isherwood charged today.

Premature Withdrawal: Washington's Cult of Narcissism and Iraq

Source: http://www.truthout.org/tom-engelhardt-premature-withdrawal-washington%E2%80%99s-cult-narcissism-and-iraq57538

Title: Premature Withdrawal: Washington's Cult of Narcissism and Iraq
By: Tom Engelhardt
Date: Wednesday 10 March 2010

Hubris? We’re bigger than that!

We’ve now been at war with, or in, Iraq for almost 20 years, and intermittently at war in Afghanistan for 30 years. Think of it as nearly half a century of experience, all bad. And what is it that Washington seems to have concluded? In Afghanistan, where one disaster after another has occurred, that we Americans can finally do more of the same, somewhat differently calibrated, and so much better. In Iraq, where we had, it seemed, decided that enough was enough and we should simply depart, the calls from a familiar crew for us to stay are growing louder by the week.

Time for a US Revolution - 15 Reasons

Source: http://www.truthout.org/time-a-us-revolution-15-reasons57494

Title: Time for a US Revolution - 15 Reasons
By: Tuesday 09 March 2010

By: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

It is time for a revolution. Government does not work for regular people. It appears to work quite well for big corporations, banks, insurance companies, military contractors, lobbyists and for the rich and powerful. But it does not work for people.

The Human Cost of Guantanamo

Source: http://www.truthout.org/1203091

Title: The Human Cost of Guantanamo
By: Sari Gelzer and Troy Page
Date: Wednesday 02 December 2009

Andy Worthington has spent the past several years exposing the stories of the hundreds of men who were taken to Guantanamo prison.

The British journalist, who is also a contributing reporter to Truthout, produced a groundbreaking book, "The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 774 Detainees in America's Illegal Prison," the only book published that meticulously pieced together the stories of all the men who have been detained in the US prison.

Now Worthington has released a new documentary, "Outside the Law: Stories from Guantanamo," co-directed with filmmaker Polly Nash. The film provides intimate interviews with two former detainees, Omar Deghayes and Moazzam Begg, and their lawyers, Clive Stafford Smith and Tom Wilner. Deghayes and Begg describe how they ended up in US custody, the gruesome conditions they faced while being held by the US and the impact this experience has had on their personal lives.

Kucinich Forces Congress to Debate Afghanistan

Source: http://www.truthout.org/kucinich-forces-congress-debate-afghanistan57433

Title: Kucinich Forces Congress to Debate Afghanistan
Saturday 06 March 2010
by: Robert Naiman, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

(Photo: SEIU International)

On Thursday, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced H. Com Res. 248, a privileged resolution with 16 original cosponsors that will require the House of Representatives to debate whether to continue the war in Afghanistan. Debate on the resolution is expected early next week.



Vatic Note:   Soon, there will be a commentary done on vatic addressing the Governments movement toward Eugenics and depopulation of our people.   The bad news is this is beginning here in the US right now and has been for about several years but has increased under Rahm Emmanuals brother, Ezekiel Emmanual who is an avowed Eugenicist and has been appointed "the health Czar" Under Obama with no approval or committee hearing on his appointment because of his writings that would have prevented him from ever reaching that high a post within the US Gov.   

He previously wrote quite a bit about the need to use public policy to move the nation from Valuing "individual" rights to valuing "societies rights" by supporting  policies shifting from everyone to only those citizens deemed PRODUCTIVE and thus valuable to the society as a whole and that was to be determined by those in power.  The result were his recommendations that those diseases that accompany age would be eliminated from basic guaranteed health care.    I have those writings and they will be put up for you to see when the commentary is finished. 


Wall street has set up another derivatives betting on when seniors will die off.  They have also rigged another scam to use on Seniors and it goes like this..... seniors have life insurance with cash value.    The face value is always much higher than the cash value.   When severely strapped for cash, Wall street brokers give the senior 75% of their "CASH VALUE" on their policy  which might be only $7,500, but the face value of the policy maybe $100,000.  

The senior then signs over that policy to the Banker as beneficiary when he/she dies for that "face value" of the policy of $100,000. The surviving senior spouse gets nothing. You can tell a lot about a psychopath by his lack of humanity and caring for the "least of these".   

So now, it becomes important to know just how fast can you make that senior die so those millions in that bubble can be raked into the bankers.    Thus policies have been geared to making it harder and harder for them to survive.   That is criminal and if intentional, its first degree murder.   Remember who owns the politicians.... thus they are included in this scam by the laws they pass that aid these bankers in their objectives.  This is beyond Satanic. 

I put this here because its plain that this is an added movement toward taking away the support seniors need to "survive".   Between the cost of drugs,  the cut back in medicare, the cut in social security benefits by freezing COLA's for TWO years.... cutting food stamps, LEAP and heat subsidies, forbidding cheaper drugs from Canada and now this to take even more away from the seniors, is moving wholesale into killing off our seniors through public policy which officially MAKES EUGENICS THE POLICY OF THE LAND. (VN:  that is called "A crime against humanity")

If you cannot produce as a slave you will not receive benefits and will be genocided out of the nation using public policy.  That is seniors, seriously and permantly wounded vets, the handicapped, etc.   Its going to be a killer commentary when its finished.  

In this instance, as usual, its the bankers who made out since they have all been paid off on those debts through government guarantees.    No mention of any means test on these either.   

In some cases down right fraud has occurred in cheating seniors out of their income when in fact they never owed the debt or had paid it off previously. (VN:  This is rampid and because there is no statute of limitations, seniors don't know enough to save their documentation after 9 years when everything else is pass the statute of limitations so most throw their documentation away. You have to be truly soul-less to steal from seniors as bankers, and its happening more and more.  Someone needs to file a class action law suit. )   That will be a whole  other article with documentation to prove it.  All of this in collusion with the Wall Street bankers.   Another bailout?  Or funds to fund more bailouts???
Source:   http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/109011/defaulted-loans-may-haunt-seniors?mod=retire-planning

Title:  Defaulted Loans May Haunt Seniors

By:   Ellen E. Schultz
Date:   Monday, March 8, 2010

A little–noticed law could soon result in smaller Social Security checks for hundreds of thousands of the elderly and disabled who owe the U.S. money from defaulted loans and other debts more than a decade old.

Social Security benefits are off–limits to creditors, such as credit–card companies and banks. But the U.S. can collect debts to federal agencies by "offsetting," or withholding Social Security and disability payments.

The Treasury currently withholds benefits of 3.1 million Social Security recipients to recover defaulted student–, farm– and small–business loans, unpaid income taxes, amounts veterans owe for health care, and other debts to the government.

Previously, the U.S. hasn't been able to withhold Social Security payments to recover most debts delinquent for more than ten years.

But a provision in the 2008 Farm Bill lifted the ten–year statute of limitations on the government's ability to withhold Social Security benefits in collecting debts other than student loans—for which the statute of limitations was lifted in 1997—and income taxes, where the limit remains 10 years.

This means that a person who defaulted on a small–business loan in 1995, for example, and who is receiving Social Security could be notified that his benefits may be reduced each month until the debt, with interest, fees, and penalties, is paid. The Treasury can withhold 15% of the benefit, though it can't be reduced to below $750. Tax debts have no floor.


Virginia first state to challenge federal health insurance mandate

Vatic Note:  Normally, we try to stay focused on the big picture and on the surface this appears to be a much smaller picture, rather somewhat local or even national, but the implications of this are big.  Global Fascism is the goal and "regionalizing" various global geographic areas, such as the EU, is the "process" for moving toward that goal.   To regionalize, our international banker controlled government has been consolidating more and more power at the federal level at the expense of the states.  

Once that power is fully consolidated, then there are three nations with consolidated power that can then regionalize with unelected international banker and corp governance, better know as Fascism; Canada, Mexico and the United States of America and do so without the will of the people being considered.  

These acts by these states, such as Virginia on this issue, or Montana on the gun issue, are one of the many ways we can thwart this effort by the neocons to move toward a regional governance such as that experienced by the EU that are now having severe problems due to loss of sovereignty within their own countries in every aspect of their functioning, legislatively, executively, and judicially.  It behooves all foreign nations to pay attention to how we are handling this because every country is going to be exposed to the same process either with or without war.  That is what makes this article so important.

More and more power is being usurped by the European Union and the various countries are finding it difficult to withstand the movement toward greater and greater regional control with no elected reps and no accountability to the citizens of the various nations.  That is why this nullification movement is so important.   .  

Man who broke the Bank of England, George Soros, 'at centre of hedge funds plot to cash in on fall of the euro'

Vatic Notes:    Remember Soro's name has emerged more and more as the main operative for the final takeovers of parts of Europe for the Rothschild Octopus.   We published an article on this regarding, in part, his role in securing Serbia and other parts of Eastern Europe which is something the western press seldom covers.    It now appears Soros was also simultaneously working on western europe through the EU which should teach us important lessons about the dangers of  regionalizing, making it much simpler to gain total control over more countries at one time.    It simply makes it easier for the Rothschild cabal to secure total control over the nations of the world and all that they possess, land, natural resources, water, food, businesses, financial and economic life, slave labor and more.   See previous article called  "The Rothschild Octopus" published on here two weeks ago.    Click on the link and scroll down to the picture of Soros and read how he secured Serbia and other eastern european counties for the Rothschild mafia.   


Add this article below to the above information and it appears that Europe is almost under total control of the Rothschild Octopus.   Is this what they have planned for our region??? Its also going on in Asia as well?  Its of sufficient concern now to watch this closely and resist any attempts to regionalize this continent.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253791/Is-man-broke-Bank-England-George-Soros-centre-hedge-funds-betting-crisis-hit-euro.html

Title: Man who broke the Bank of England, George Soros, 'at centre of hedge funds plot to cash in on fall of the euro'
By: Karl West
Date: 03/07/2010   (reported on 2/27)

A secretive group of Wall Street hedge fund bosses are said to be behind a plot to cash in on the decline of the euro.
Representatives of George Soros's investment business were among an all-star line up of Wall Street investors at an 'ideas dinner' at a private townhouse in Manhattan, according to reports.

The man about to break the euro? George Soros is said to be placing large bearish bets against the single currency

Fiction of Marjah as City Was US Information War

Source: http://www.truthout.org/fiction-marja-city-was-us-information-war57470

Fiction of Marjah as City Was US Information War
by: Gareth Porter  |  Inter Press Service

For weeks, the U.S. public followed the biggest offensive of the Afghanistan War against what it was told was a "city of 80,000 people" as well as the logistical hub of the Taliban in that part of Helmand. That idea was a central element in the overall impression built up in February that Marja was a major strategic objective, more important than other district centres in Helmand.

It turns out, however, that the picture of Marja presented by military officials and obediently reported by major news media is one of the clearest and most dramatic pieces of misinformation of the entire war, apparently aimed at hyping the offensive as a historic turning point in the conflict.

Marja is not a city or even a real town, but either a few clusters of farmers' homes or a large agricultural area covering much of the southern Helmand River Valley.


American Al Qaeda Spokesman Captured-- Will He Be An Enemy Combatant?

Vatic Notes:    We just had this discusstion yesterday.   Is this to set precedence for the "enemy combatant" designation and thus strip Americans of their citizenship as provided under the Security Enhancement Act?  Thus allowing the administration to then treat him/her as such with torture, no habeas corpus, unlimited imprisonment, rendition, no due process at all, no disclosure of information by the defendant, no attorney, etc.    See   http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/03/us-searching-for-radicalized-americans.html

Source:    http://www.opednews.com/articles/American-Al-Qaeda-Spokesma-by-Rob-Kall-100307-399.html
Title: American Al Qaeda Spokesman Captured-- Will He Be Tortured, Tried as American or Enemy
By: Rob Kall
Date:    03/07/2010

CNN Reports "Adam Gadahn, an American citizen who has repeatedly appeared as spokesman for al Qaeda, has been arrested in Pakistan, CNN reports they were told by senior Pakistani official.

He was arrested in Karachi Pakistan.

Gadahn has been charged with treason by the US. Washington was offering a $6 million reward for his capture.

US searching for 'radicalized' Americans (preparing for a new false flag?)

Vatic note:   The first thing you note on here is "Al-Qaida" or other terrorist groups.  Who created, funded and is continuing to work with Al Qaida in undermining Iran?  The next question is why don't they tell us how they know this?  The next question is,  PASSPORTS ARE CHIPPED FOR THAT REASON, so how come they don't know where they are, and if they don't know "who, where and what" they are, HOW DO THEY KNOW THEY ARE RADICALIZED Americans???  How do they know they went overseas to train?    I believe they maybe over there training, but only with the obvious consent of our Gov or they could never have made it that far.    Its a lead up to another false flag and they can point back to here saying  "Oh, we told you about that back in March that they were training".   Right..... they really do think we are stupid.

Source:   http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14521457

Title:        US searching for 'radicalized' Americans

Date:   03-2010

LOS ANGELES—The top U.S. diplomat in Pakistan says the Obama administration does not know how many Americans might have disappeared overseas to train with al-Qaida or other terrorist groups.