2011-02-01

Egyptian Army Says It Will Not Fire on Protesters

Vatic Note:   Wow, lot of distraction going on right now.  This plus the cyclone heading toward Australia, like they need just one more thing to bang over their heads.   I can't figure out why the powers that be are trying to clear out that island???  Will be putting something up about that shortly.  Now on to the subject at hand,  the Egypt crisis.  On one of our strategy and tactics we discussed this very point. Remember we discussed visiting our local law enforcement and family members of those we know are serving in our military to discuss and promise them we will not fire on them, and tell them not to fire on us since we are simply standing up for our inalienable rights and protections under the constitution. Remind them and their families of their oath that they are to only follow legal orders, and tell them we are all in this together and must stand together and this is what happens if we do.  Tell them we love them for their commitment to defend and protect us AGAINST ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THEN We win. So pass this on to those local law enforcement types in your community to show what can happen when we stand together.


Egyptian Army Says It Will Not Fire on Protesters
http://www.truth-out.org/print/67319
Anthony Shadid, David D. Kirkpatrick and Kareem Fahim
Monday 31 January 2011

Cairo - The Egyptian Army announced Monday for the first time that it would not fire on protesters, even as tens of thousands of people gathered in central Liberation Square for a seventh day to shout for the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak.

The announcement came after the opposition dismissed Mr. Mubarak’s cabinet reshuffle as inadequate and as concerns over violence were heightened by the presence of security police officers clustered near the square’s entrances, their first deployment there in three days.

Since the demonstrations began last Tuesday, Mr. Mubarak has stayed mostly out of sight, apparently intent on waiting for the protesters’ passions to cool. But opposition organizers called for the largest demonstrations yet — a “march of millions” and a general strike — on Tuesday, and the Egyptian economy showed more signs of shutting down, while one benchmark price of crude rose to a two-year high of just over $100 on fears of disrupted flow from the region.

Across Liberation Square, trepidation inflected the euphoria. Many protesters suggested that the coming days may be pivotal, as an inchoate movement struggles to maintain the pressure on an entrenched state.

In contrast to previous days in the uprising, which were dominated by the young, the demonstrations Monday included a more obvious contingent of older, disciplined protesters and members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Islamist organization, outlawed under the Mubarak government, has been playing a steadily larger role in the demonstrations, after holding back at the outset.

The president appeared fatigued in a ceremony broadcast on state television in which he welcomed a new interior minister, Mahmoud Wagdy, a retired general, who will oversee the police. He replaced Habib el-Adly, who had been interior minister since 1997 and came under sharp criticism from human rights advocates for tolerating — or even encouraging — torture and other police abuses.

Mr. Mubarak left several longtime associates in place, including the foreign minister, the minister of information and the defense minister.

With the Internet still broadly disrupted, Egyptians gathered at mosques around the city for noon prayers and then marched by the hundreds and thousands toward Liberation (Tahrir) Square on Monday, passing groups of security police and soldiers, .

“I brought my American passport today in case I die today,” said Marwan Mossaad, 33, a graduate student of architecture with dual Egyptian-American citizenship. “I want the American people to know that they are supporting one of the most oppressive regimes in the world and Americans are also dying for it.”

“Come down, Egyptians!” chanted one group heading to the square, drawing men into their march from the buildings they passed. The group, led by older men, linked hands and kept to one lane of traffic, allowing cars to pass.

At the square, they joined protesters who had stayed all night in defiance of a curfew that the authorities are now seeking to enforce at 5 p.m., an hour earlier. The numbers in the square appeared to exceed those of previous days, despite efforts by the military to corral the protesters into a narrower space.

Army troops checked the identity of people entering the square and began placing a cordon of concrete barriers and razor wire around its access routes, news reports said. But there were no immediate reports of clashes with the protesters, who have cast the military as their ally and protector. As military helicopters circled overhead, demonstrators jabbed their fists in the air, chanting, “The people and the army are one hand.”

Witnesses in Alexandria, Egypt’s second city on the Mediterranean coast, said police had returned to the streets there, though only in small numbers and accompanied by soldiers.

At Cairo International Airport, a voluntary evacuation of Americans — including dependents of government officials in Egypt, some diplomats and private citizens — got under way on Monday with a flight to Cyprus and two to Athens, as passengers waited to board six more flights heading for other unspecified destinations described as safe havens, including Turkey, American Embassy officials said.

International oil companies are closing local offices, evacuating nonessential personnel and family dependents, and telling their Egyptian employees to stay home, but most companies said there had been little impact so far on exploration and production activities centered in the Gulf of Suez, the Western Desert and the Nile Delta.

ENI, the Italian oil company and largest foreign producer in Egypt, said it was operating its production fields normally. BP, the British company with considerable operations in Egypt, also announced that its production had not been affected. Apache Corp., the United States oil company with the greatest exposure in Egypt, said its production operations were normal. After falling on Friday, Apache’s stock price recovered on Monday.

One exception is Statoil, the Norwegian company, which said it had halted offshore drilling in the El Dabaa area west of the Nile Delta.

The return of police forces to the street came as. Mubarak replaced his brutal interior minister, Mr. el-Adly. Protesters had called for his resignation last week as Egypt’s widely reviled security forces cracked down harshly on protesters in Cairo and other cities.

But some analysts dismissed Mr. Mubarak’s cabinet changes as window dressing that did not even meet the protest movement halfway.

“It is disappointing,” said Gamal Abdel Gawad, of the Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies. “There was an opportunity to use this cabinet as the tool to reconcile with the opposition by bringing in political figures from the political spectrum. But now we are back to a government of technocrats. Many of them are very good and well-respected people, but the question now is about politics; it’s not about policies."

Israel, meanwhile, granted permission to Egypt to move two battalions of soldiers, about 800, into the Sinai Peninsula, which has been largely demilitarized since the two countries signed a peace treaty in 1979. The area is populated by armed Bedouin tribes that have posed a challenged to the Egyptian authorities over the years.

Jerusalem was also reported to have called on the United States and a number of European countries over the weekend to mute criticism of Mr. Mubarak to preserve stability in the region, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported.

But an Israeli government official, speaking on condition of anonymity following diplomatic protocol, said that the Haaretz report did not reflect the position of the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Mr. Netanyahu spoke cautiously in his first public remarks on the situation in Egypt, telling his cabinet that the Israeli government’s efforts were “designed to continue and maintain stability and security in our region.”

“I remind you that the peace between Israel and Egypt has endured for over three decades, and our goal is to ensure that these relations continue,” the prime minister said on Sunday as Egypt’s powerful Muslim Brotherhood and the secular opposition united around a prominent government critic in hopes of negotiating with the Army for Mr. Mubarak’s departure.

The announcement that the critic, Mohamed ElBaradei, would represent a loosely unified opposition reconfigured the struggle between Mr. Mubarak’s government and an uprising bent on driving him and his party from power. But it left open the broader question of how to manage the transition to democracy from American-backed governments like Egypt that have proven most adept at eliminating any vestige of it.

Though lacking deep support on his own, Dr. ElBaradei, a Nobel laureate and diplomat, could serve as a consensus figure for a movement that has struggled to articulate a program for a potential transition. It suggested, too, that the opposition was aware of the uprising’s image abroad, putting forth a candidate who might be more acceptable to the West than beloved in Egypt.

In a collapse of authority, the police withdrew from major cities on Saturday, giving free rein to gangs that stole and burned cars, looted shops and ransacked a fashionable mall, where dismembered mannequins for conservative Islamic dress were strewn over broken glass and puddles of water. Thousands of inmates poured out of four prisons, including the country’s most notorious, Abu Zaabal and Wadi Natroun. Checkpoints run by the military and neighborhood groups, sometimes spaced just a block apart, proliferated across Cairo and other cities.

Many have darkly suggested that the government was behind the collapse of authority as a way to justify a crackdown or discredit protesters’ calls for change.

“Egypt challenges anarchy,” a government-owned newspaper declared Sunday.

“A Conspiracy by Security to Support the Scenario of Chaos,” replied an independent newspaper in a headline that shared space at a downtown kiosk.

Kareem Fahim, Liam Stack, Mona El-Naggar and Dawlat Magdy contributed reporting from Cairo; Isabel Kershner from Jerusalem; and Clifford Krauss from Houston.

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8 comments:

Jammer said...

The article by Shadid, Kirkpatrick and Fahim pointed out a truism: that one cannot judge things simply by appearances.

It did not appear to me that the military's decision not to fire upon the people was based upon some amorphic "love" of their countrymen. They are simply outnumbered by the 80 million population as opposed to the combined troop strenth of around 450,000 active personnel of the Egyptian Armed forces. With the whole world watching, the military is basically check-mated, at least for the moment.

I imagine in the rarefied atmospheres of the corridors of power it all must resemble games of chess, on a national and also international levels, both at the same time.

The article pointed out that many have darkly suggested that the government was behind the collapse of authority as a way to justify a crackdown or discredit protesters’ calls for change.

Not an unreasonable idea, since Mubarak does not seem to want to budge and is trying other tactics instead, like re-arranging the cabinet, yet keeping several longtime associates in place, including the foreign minister, the minister of information and the defense minister. The defense minister, I suppose, would have been the one to order Egypt's military to stand down and not to fire upon the people. So it seems the situation with the military is that they are simply awaiting orders.

“Egypt challenges anarchy,” a government-owned newspaper declared Sunday.

“A Conspiracy by Security to Support the Scenario of Chaos,” replied an independent newspaper in a headline that shared space at a downtown kiosk.

I have to give the Egyptian people a lot of credit for not buying the shuffling around of the cabinet ploy, and it's obvious from the independent newspaper's headline that the Egyptian people are not namby-pambys thinking lovey-dovey thoughts that 'the military is on our side' due to appearances (like gullible Americans would be), but instead are also well aware of the possibility of 'a conspiracy by security to support the scenario of chaos', so aptly put.

Vatic said...

I had read that as well, that the powers that be engineered this and are trying to engineer it all over the planet so they can declare martial law everywhere as Mubarak did with his "curfew, locking down the net and all communicatins systems". No one in power is screaming bloody murder about any of this at all. So you may well have a point.

The fact that he has not stepped down is another good indication he is being supported in staying right where he is. It does resemble a sort of 'war game' in which systems are being tested, like Katrina was. How many deaths will the people tolerate before they go bonkers, etc.

It appears they maybe trying to identify limits that they can push. Very interesting idea.

Jammer said...

I heard tonight that Mubarak said he "never planned to run in the September elections". Whatever that is suppose to mean. And he proposes, that since he never 'planned to run in the elections', that he stay put in power until September. He also whimpers he 'wants to die on Egyptian soil'.

This is now February, and Feb.-Sept. is 8 months. A lot of behind-the-scenes things can get done in that time. And in 8 months anything can happen. The Egyptians of course aren't buying this either of his remaining until September.

My feeling is, though, Mubarak is stalling for as much time as he can. The longer the revolution goes on and the entire economy is disrupted, and the food supplies dwindle, the more likely these factors will begin to wear down the Egyptian people, to where they begin to drop off. The people have to eat, and if there is no food, well the tide is turned. Mubarak can say 'look the people refuse all what I propose to do, and now they are rioting in the streets for food'. The military will now rightly be seen as being put into action in order to curtail the destruction, etc. etc. etc. The world will agree something must be done to stop the rioting, etc. etc. etc.

Yes -- most definitely Mubarak is identifying limits. He's been in power 30 years, and he's not about to go meekly.

Jordon is getting antsy:

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=41366134

Jordan's king fires government in wake of protests

American Action Report said...

I think you're partly right, but I think it may be a distraction.
I've been following this news in the local papers, which of course rely on the Global Power Elite for their "news." It's a handy way of knowing what the GPE want you to believe.
The anti-Mubarak sentiment in the articles is palpable. The GPE definitely want him out of power but certainly not because they want Egypt to be free. He has served his purpose for them.
I also note the plethora of articles dominating the papers. I take it because that's where the GPE want us to focus our attention.
Why the distraction? They're planning to blindside us while our attention is on Egypt. Do you have any suggestions as to what it may be?
Let's not forget that FEMA and DHS has been calling for bids on things they'll need to relocate millions of people in America, and the deadline is in the next few weeks. Since most businesses have a turnaround time figured in months, I had expected that the FEMA/DHS move would be a few months down the road. Now I'm not sure.

Vatic said...

American Action Report, I fear you may well be right. The heavy chemtrail dumping is to reduce the immune system so that their super bioweapon can be used to create the pandemic they have planned. Its why they killed 89 or more microbiologists.

Here is what I think and why, I think Rahm Emmanual resigned from office, Lieberscum is not going to run again, Obama is now admitting he was not born here and that means no running for office in 2012, then we have Mubarek, on the ropes as well, we have merkel in Germany who is not going to run, we have Burlesconi in Italy who is out of office now, we have not heard one peep about the queen of england in a while, and what about rockefeller, rothschild, etc. They have all basically disappeared?

I believe what they are hiding is that Nibiru has arrived sooner than they had planned. The supposed positioning of it in the "south" means its not coming in on the eliptic, and that means a lot less damage than originally thought. That means not as many dead as planned. I believe these people are all going underground now or within the next 6 months as it seems that is what they are setting up.

Further I found videos on utube of different people taking pics of sunrises which you notice are occurring in the south and slightly east, which makes sense if Nibiru is substantially bigger than our sun and is getting closer, along with at least one planet. I created a blog and put all of the videos up along with excellent text to explain how we can check this out for ourselves and they wiped it completely off my machine.

That was before I got it fixed, now I went back to reput them up again and htey are all gone. Seriously, those videos of those people taking the pictures are all gone. Can't find them again. So, I think that is what is happening and the bioweapon pandemic is to kill off as many of us as they can BEFORE Nibiru arrives. That way we bury them and there is no risk of disease when the evil ones come back up or billions ready to do them in.

Just speculating based on what has recently happened to me.

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Vatic said...

Anonymous, The link does not work, can you double check it? There is no dot between zeta and com and there is one after com and before the slash, which is unusual. Please see if you can find the working link as it sounds interesting.

Anonymous said...

http://www.zetatalk.com/