Vatic Note: How ironic. This came along as I was doing this series on the Dulce aliens. Hmmm, well, providence is giving us what we need to know, I am convinced since this just showed up unbidden. Here is one of those whistleblowers we profiled in the Dulce series and this came along that was written after that series was done. It appears they are not sure if he is a disinfo guy or not. Two experts disagree with him on his explanations of the anti-gravity issue which are contained below, but then again, here are some addition articles here and here that throw good light on Lazar's contention. I also found somthing on a military website about anti-gravity B-2, but I was not registered so I could not dig out what it said.... so if you want to give it a try, here is the link. We try to give both sides of the story, so you read and decide.
Navy deals with space command, and Airforce deals with underground facilities.... figure that one out will ya? LOL anyway, I have added this as the fifth and it appears I may have a sixth one or I may just post it independantly, but it is related. Its from another whistle blower from MI6 and its scathing. Enjoy the read. Wait until you see the photo of the space ship the US reversed engineered that is anti-gravity. Its a humdinger. Its amazing what we did not know. Now that is "if" its true.
Here is something to think about while contemplating all of this. If we have a space division out in space miles from the earth, then why are they spending big dollars to study the Van Allen Belt radiation and its impact on Humans? If they did not go to the moon, then they would need to do that, but if they did, they had the humans that came back and could study them and the craft to see what the impact was. Nothing about it anywhere. If anyone has seen the results of such a study of the moon trip and the impact on them from the Van Allen Belt, please provide that info to us. I think its important in helping to decide what and who to believe.
My other question is "Where is Lazar Now in 2012?" Anybody know? I could not find out where he is now.
Have Scientists Just Proven Bob Lazar Right on Alien Antigravity Systems? Part 5 of 6
http://raidersnewsupdate.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-scientists-just-proven-bob-lazar.html
Thursday, May 12, 2005
In 1989, Robert Scott Lazar claimed to have worked as a physicist at a hidden base referred to as S4 on a highly classified project involving back engineering of alien technology, antigravity and antimatter propulsion. Stanton Friedman doesn't believe him. But have scientists just proven Lazar was right all along?
By Thomas Horn
Senior RNU News Reporter
RNU.com – (Raiders News Update) - Yesterday, in the article, "How to float like a stone", science correspondent for The Guardian, David Adam wrote that what goes up no longer has to come down. Quoting researchers who announced their results this week in the New Journal of Physics, Adams noted that, "British scientists have developed an antigravity machine that can float heavy stones, coins and lumps of metal in mid-air. Based around a powerful magnet, the device levitates objects in a similar way to how a maglev train runs above its tracks."
The article went on to quote Peter King, physics professor at Nottingham University, as saying, "We can take an object and float it in mid-air because the magnetic forces on the object are enough to balance gravity."
The device evidently exploits diamagnetism by placing non-magnetic objects inside a strong magnetic field where they are forced to act like weak magnets themselves. A field is created that is stronger below and weaker above. The resulting upward magnetic force cancels out gravity.
To make the anti gravity machine even more powerful, the team used an oxygen and nitrogen mixture to create a paramagnetic fluid. Inside the magnet, the mixture helps the objects float. US space agency Nasa notified the team that it is interested in their zero gravity research.
UFO buffs may recall a man named Bob Lazar [left] discussing a similar antigravity propulsion system over a decade ago, one that he said came from aliens. Lazar claimed to have worked as a physicist on a highly classified government project, called Galileo, which involved back engineering of alien technology. The research supposedly took place at a hidden base known only as S4, a few miles south of Area 51.
At the time, Lazar said he and others were working on extraterrestrial craft hundreds of years in advance of modern technology. He also claimed to have seen a total of nine different types of saucers as well as documents and autopsies of alien corpses. The saucer-type he professed to have worked on had a diameter of 9-12 m with a console and small, children-sized seats. He said he was told the aliens arrived in the vessel from the fourth planet of the binary stellar system Zeta Reticuli 2.
In "On the Record" with investigative reporter George Knapp, September 12, 1989, Lazar said the alien craft flew by amplifying gravity waves through use of a reactor and an alien element--atomic number 115--an ore not found or synthesized on earth.
When asked to explain how the alien antigravity system worked, the program took an interesting twist:
Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it . . . 115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity wave, and that's later amplified in the lower portion of the craft. But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back- engineer everthing, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and find out how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter . . . It doesn't convert anti-matter! There's an annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction, a hundred percent conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: Automatic.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently, the 115 under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases heat, and somewhere within that system there is a one-hundred-percent- efficient thermionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere, and that's through some action of the 115, and the exact action I don't think anyone really knows. The wave guide siphons off that gravity wave, and that's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are three gravity amplifiers, which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
Knapp: In essence creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on earth doesn't have this technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn't create it?
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even—we don't even know what gravity is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's been theorized that gravity is also particles, gravitons, which is also incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave they can actually tap off of an element: why that is I' m not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space. By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel, where instead of traveling in a linear method going from Point A to B, now you can distort time and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to Mohammad, you almost bring your destination to you without moving. And since you're distorting time, all this takes place in between moments of time. [1]
Now, have British scientists proven Lazar was telling the truth? Have they let the alien anti-gravity-cat out of the bag? I asked nuclear physicist and renowned UFO investigator Stanton T. Friedman. Here is what he said:
The simple answer is no. One could also say a rocket was an antigravity device because its exhaust leads to it moving upward whereas gravity pulls it down. A pulley arrangement for lifting something is not an antigravity device. The use of magnetic forces as in the magnetic train (maglev) that is noted in the article is not new. It does not create a gravitational field. It does not nullify gravity.
A force is exerted which is upward. Gravity is still there. There is no connection whatsoever between this sort of device and the Lazar science fiction device which is as mythical as his supposed degrees from MIT and Cal Tech and his employment as a physicist at Los Alamos. Check out my article on Lazar at my website www.stantonfriedman.com. Incidently, magnetoaerodynamic devices such as I described in my Congressional testimony in 1968 and in various papers can also exert upward forces... but are not anti-gravity. It is also true that 4 atoms of Element 115 were created at a huge accelerator in Dubna. Half life was in the millisecond range. Lazar claimed at one time that Los Alamos had 500 pounds. No way Jose. Half life is too short. Stan Friedman
I also decided to ask scientist Stan Deyo about the subject. Stan has held Above Top Secret Security Clearance, worked undercover for the FBI, and was part of an exclusive "black project" headed by Dr. Edward Teller specializing in the development of "flying saucer technology". Here's what Stan said:
Hi, Tom, Stanton and I concur about Bob and his mythical tale about his involvement in the Area 51 program. Furthermore, I agree with Stanton on the erroneous assertion in the article above. Using two magnets to levitate masses with low magnetic permeability is not "antigravity" in the strictest sense. It is magnetic levitation - not something altering the gravitational field. I find Bob's story about his history being erased by the government hard to believe.
According to him, even his high school record was erased.... Does that mean all the kids who went to school with him had Bob's photo removed from their personal copies of their high school annual books? Does that mean all Bob's fellow students and his teachers in ALL those schools and universities he allegedly attended found him so unremarkable that they cannot remember him in school with them?
I don't know why Bob apparently fabricated so much of his story.... It just muddied the water for those trying to ferret the truth of the suppressed technologies and alien presences on our world. It is true that electricity can be produced by thermionic conversion within a small bandwidth of infrared radiation by allowing it to fall upon a tribo-luminescent stratum which, itself, forms part of a tuned, resonant-cavity circuit.... I am pretty certain that T. Henry Moray (and possibly Harry E. Perrigo) made primitive forms of this circuit.
Element 115 is not necessary to supply the thermal energy in a thermionic conversion process. I will be presenting a talk in Roswell this year at the third "Ancient of Days" conference. There, I will present my thoughts on the emerging concept of "gravity" being a vector sum between divergent and convergent spinning waves around the center of spin of a mass. I will address the issue of why gravity appears to be such a weak force when in reality gravity is the resultant of much larger div/con wave vectors. Hope this helps clear the water a bit.... Stan
Following Stan's comments, I think I see a sequel to this article in the not too distant future. The headline might read something like: Have Scientists Just Proven Stan Deyo Right on Alien Antigravity Systems?
Stan Deyo's Website
Stanton Friedman's Website
Excerpt From "The Ahriman Gate" On UFO Anti-Gravity
To find out where this is leading (and sooner than you think), you MUST read this year's most highly anticipated suspense thriller - THE AHRIMAN GATE! The novel is fiction... but what it portends may not be. Endorsed by PhD's around the world who believe its message is urgent and that the timing of its release is essential, don't be caught without THE AHRIMAN GATE this August! We here at Raiders News Update believe in this book so much that we are offering it with a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Also, be part of the first 4000 people to purchase THE AHRIMAN GATE and we'll even throw in $50.00 in FREE GIFTS! To find out more, please visit www.AhrimanGate.com.
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Navy deals with space command, and Airforce deals with underground facilities.... figure that one out will ya? LOL anyway, I have added this as the fifth and it appears I may have a sixth one or I may just post it independantly, but it is related. Its from another whistle blower from MI6 and its scathing. Enjoy the read. Wait until you see the photo of the space ship the US reversed engineered that is anti-gravity. Its a humdinger. Its amazing what we did not know. Now that is "if" its true.
Here is something to think about while contemplating all of this. If we have a space division out in space miles from the earth, then why are they spending big dollars to study the Van Allen Belt radiation and its impact on Humans? If they did not go to the moon, then they would need to do that, but if they did, they had the humans that came back and could study them and the craft to see what the impact was. Nothing about it anywhere. If anyone has seen the results of such a study of the moon trip and the impact on them from the Van Allen Belt, please provide that info to us. I think its important in helping to decide what and who to believe.
My other question is "Where is Lazar Now in 2012?" Anybody know? I could not find out where he is now.
Thursday, May 12, 2005
By Thomas Horn
Senior RNU News Reporter
RNU.com – (Raiders News Update) - Yesterday, in the article, "How to float like a stone", science correspondent for The Guardian, David Adam wrote that what goes up no longer has to come down. Quoting researchers who announced their results this week in the New Journal of Physics, Adams noted that, "British scientists have developed an antigravity machine that can float heavy stones, coins and lumps of metal in mid-air. Based around a powerful magnet, the device levitates objects in a similar way to how a maglev train runs above its tracks."
The article went on to quote Peter King, physics professor at Nottingham University, as saying, "We can take an object and float it in mid-air because the magnetic forces on the object are enough to balance gravity."
The device evidently exploits diamagnetism by placing non-magnetic objects inside a strong magnetic field where they are forced to act like weak magnets themselves. A field is created that is stronger below and weaker above. The resulting upward magnetic force cancels out gravity.
To make the anti gravity machine even more powerful, the team used an oxygen and nitrogen mixture to create a paramagnetic fluid. Inside the magnet, the mixture helps the objects float. US space agency Nasa notified the team that it is interested in their zero gravity research.
UFO buffs may recall a man named Bob Lazar [left] discussing a similar antigravity propulsion system over a decade ago, one that he said came from aliens. Lazar claimed to have worked as a physicist on a highly classified government project, called Galileo, which involved back engineering of alien technology. The research supposedly took place at a hidden base known only as S4, a few miles south of Area 51.
At the time, Lazar said he and others were working on extraterrestrial craft hundreds of years in advance of modern technology. He also claimed to have seen a total of nine different types of saucers as well as documents and autopsies of alien corpses. The saucer-type he professed to have worked on had a diameter of 9-12 m with a console and small, children-sized seats. He said he was told the aliens arrived in the vessel from the fourth planet of the binary stellar system Zeta Reticuli 2.
In "On the Record" with investigative reporter George Knapp, September 12, 1989, Lazar said the alien craft flew by amplifying gravity waves through use of a reactor and an alien element--atomic number 115--an ore not found or synthesized on earth.
When asked to explain how the alien antigravity system worked, the program took an interesting twist:
Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it . . . 115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity wave, and that's later amplified in the lower portion of the craft. But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back- engineer everthing, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and find out how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter . . . It doesn't convert anti-matter! There's an annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction, a hundred percent conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: Automatic.
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently, the 115 under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases heat, and somewhere within that system there is a one-hundred-percent- efficient thermionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere, and that's through some action of the 115, and the exact action I don't think anyone really knows. The wave guide siphons off that gravity wave, and that's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are three gravity amplifiers, which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
Knapp: In essence creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on earth doesn't have this technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn't create it?
Lazar: Right.
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even—we don't even know what gravity is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's been theorized that gravity is also particles, gravitons, which is also incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave they can actually tap off of an element: why that is I' m not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space. By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel, where instead of traveling in a linear method going from Point A to B, now you can distort time and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to Mohammad, you almost bring your destination to you without moving. And since you're distorting time, all this takes place in between moments of time. [1]
Now, have British scientists proven Lazar was telling the truth? Have they let the alien anti-gravity-cat out of the bag? I asked nuclear physicist and renowned UFO investigator Stanton T. Friedman. Here is what he said:
The simple answer is no. One could also say a rocket was an antigravity device because its exhaust leads to it moving upward whereas gravity pulls it down. A pulley arrangement for lifting something is not an antigravity device. The use of magnetic forces as in the magnetic train (maglev) that is noted in the article is not new. It does not create a gravitational field. It does not nullify gravity.
A force is exerted which is upward. Gravity is still there. There is no connection whatsoever between this sort of device and the Lazar science fiction device which is as mythical as his supposed degrees from MIT and Cal Tech and his employment as a physicist at Los Alamos. Check out my article on Lazar at my website www.stantonfriedman.com. Incidently, magnetoaerodynamic devices such as I described in my Congressional testimony in 1968 and in various papers can also exert upward forces... but are not anti-gravity. It is also true that 4 atoms of Element 115 were created at a huge accelerator in Dubna. Half life was in the millisecond range. Lazar claimed at one time that Los Alamos had 500 pounds. No way Jose. Half life is too short. Stan Friedman
I also decided to ask scientist Stan Deyo about the subject. Stan has held Above Top Secret Security Clearance, worked undercover for the FBI, and was part of an exclusive "black project" headed by Dr. Edward Teller specializing in the development of "flying saucer technology". Here's what Stan said:
Hi, Tom, Stanton and I concur about Bob and his mythical tale about his involvement in the Area 51 program. Furthermore, I agree with Stanton on the erroneous assertion in the article above. Using two magnets to levitate masses with low magnetic permeability is not "antigravity" in the strictest sense. It is magnetic levitation - not something altering the gravitational field. I find Bob's story about his history being erased by the government hard to believe.
According to him, even his high school record was erased.... Does that mean all the kids who went to school with him had Bob's photo removed from their personal copies of their high school annual books? Does that mean all Bob's fellow students and his teachers in ALL those schools and universities he allegedly attended found him so unremarkable that they cannot remember him in school with them?
I don't know why Bob apparently fabricated so much of his story.... It just muddied the water for those trying to ferret the truth of the suppressed technologies and alien presences on our world. It is true that electricity can be produced by thermionic conversion within a small bandwidth of infrared radiation by allowing it to fall upon a tribo-luminescent stratum which, itself, forms part of a tuned, resonant-cavity circuit.... I am pretty certain that T. Henry Moray (and possibly Harry E. Perrigo) made primitive forms of this circuit.
Element 115 is not necessary to supply the thermal energy in a thermionic conversion process. I will be presenting a talk in Roswell this year at the third "Ancient of Days" conference. There, I will present my thoughts on the emerging concept of "gravity" being a vector sum between divergent and convergent spinning waves around the center of spin of a mass. I will address the issue of why gravity appears to be such a weak force when in reality gravity is the resultant of much larger div/con wave vectors. Hope this helps clear the water a bit.... Stan
Following Stan's comments, I think I see a sequel to this article in the not too distant future. The headline might read something like: Have Scientists Just Proven Stan Deyo Right on Alien Antigravity Systems?
Stan Deyo's Website
Stanton Friedman's Website
Excerpt From "The Ahriman Gate" On UFO Anti-Gravity
To find out where this is leading (and sooner than you think), you MUST read this year's most highly anticipated suspense thriller - THE AHRIMAN GATE! The novel is fiction... but what it portends may not be. Endorsed by PhD's around the world who believe its message is urgent and that the timing of its release is essential, don't be caught without THE AHRIMAN GATE this August! We here at Raiders News Update believe in this book so much that we are offering it with a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Also, be part of the first 4000 people to purchase THE AHRIMAN GATE and we'll even throw in $50.00 in FREE GIFTS! To find out more, please visit www.AhrimanGate.com.
PRINT MEDIA: Contact here about the advance review galley
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Probably. Anyone killed, censored, imprisoned, harassed or similar types of things gets some added benefit of being legit. But don't assume.
ReplyDeleteSF appears to clearly be a disinfo agent. Once you are awake over time seeing the truth in people becomes easier. Cooper said he was CIA but who knows. Cooper could have easily been CIA or disinfo as well.
Think about it. Will the controllers really allow the truth to be disclosed on television? or through any regulated medium for that matter except possibly the internet. But in the case of the internet it is too big to control completely at this point in time. So the alternative until it is controlled is large scale disinfo, constant censorship, and monitoring. Anyone picked or endorsed through any TV shows, like SF, to get the word out is at best disinfo.
Does anyone not think UFO organizations are either heavily infiltrated or completely run by the controllers? Just look at all alleged terror plans, random "lone gunman" especially at key points in time (ie. UN vote on gun control), protest organizations (ie Occupy) and anything to do to protest, positive change or that can be used for tightening control. All heavily infiltrated or led by controllers. Most often prompted for violence by the controllers. But at a minimum there to monitor and control. Think of everything as scripted or a control grid until proven otherwise since there are too few of them an too many of us.
The only thing to remember is everyone's true colors are shown through their words and actions over time as well as constantly reproving themselves.
Even then question everything. This is hard to do on a large scale individual level. Let alone constantly. So we tend to rely on the opinions of others (especially so called experts) and their judgement in order to trust. It is tiresome and time consuming.
This is where people get lazy and things fall apart. And when it gets big enough, like now, you see the results. Countries, financial systems, etc corrupt to the core, controlled by evil and all in easy positions to fail.
Uh,oh, what is SF??? I could not figure out what you were talking about? Let me know please, otherwise your points are not only well made, but confirm what I say all the time, which is confirm it for yourself and you decide. I am just putting out there what I find if I find supportive evidence to go along with it. Some of it is from old blogs I researched earlier and it supports what we found.
ReplyDeleteDulce fire fight has been confirmed through numerous people, most of whom are dead, killed or have disappeared. I just ran into a woman today who is retired from the CIA and worked for ever for them and said we had no idea what they have been up to and same with Los Alamos.