A Discussion of Enoch between Rumormills and Vatic Project

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Vatic Notes:  Rumormills through Seawitch had posted our blog on Enoch part 1 of 3, and in checking it out, I found this response from another poster there.  It was intriguing and very well done, so I decided  it was educational enough to put it up for our consideration and learning.  Indeed, are the Illuminati families of today decended from the fallen Angels or Watchers of the Book of Enoch.  Well, in reading what he wrote, I am now thoroughly intrigued and will, when I can,  pursue that rabbithole.  

I think this has put up a whole new way of looking at the very early writings of the Bible.  I was even intrigued by the Book of Jasper.  It almost seems as if they left the good books out of the Bible and left only the oh, so, okay ones in.  Anyway, enjoy the read. I did.  Thanks Rumormills, especially seawitch and MrFusion, for facilitating such a high level course of discussion.  I consider this a great deal of fun.  lol  My only concern was his references to Clare Prophet who has been identified as a agent of the elite.  I was trying to pursue that to either confirm or deny the charge, but have become cautious where she is concerned until I can do one or the other.  

My initial findings were around her education along with the type of cult it was, (Doomsday cult)  from what it is today (New Age) and I am now pursuing her husband who founded the doomsday cult.  Its nature changed to new Age after her retirement to a nursing home as a result of Alzheimers disease.  The resulting leaders moved it into a new direction from its Doomsday cult under the prophets.   Will report more as I find out more. 

Are the Elite Families and Royal Families of today descended from the Fallen Angels of the Book of Enoch?

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Posted By: MrFusion [Send E-Mail], Rumormills
Date: Saturday, 25-Aug-2012 14:44:22

In Response To: THE HIDDEN SIGNIFICANCE OF ENOCH - PART 1 OF 3(Seawitch)

[I am posting this as a supplement to Seawitch's post. This might be considered an executive summary of some of the material in the Vatic post and its original source material athttp://www.reversespins.com/enoch.html, which is much longer and more detailed. My original version of the post below was here: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/read/216889 ] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Verses 1-4 of Genesis 6 have always been considered very peculiar: 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 1There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. - Genesis 6:1-4 This passage has been giving religious scholars headaches for centuries. It has the appearance of being a way-too-compressed version of some longer account. That longer account is thought by some to be the long-suppressed Book of Enoch. Until perhaps the second century A.D., the Book of Enoch was revered by Christians and Jews alike. Then it was decided there was a problem with it, it had to be suppressed. It was thought that all copies had been destroyed. But then it turned up in the archives of the Ethiopian Coptic Church in the 1800's.   What was it about the Book of Enoch that made it seem so dangerous to the religious authorities? Apparently it was the idea that fallen angels, cast out of heaven, fell to Earth and basically took over, corrupting human civilization, raising the possibility that they and/or their descendants may still be here doing exactly that to this day. The religions were too intertwined with the power elite to allow such a concept to be given credence. So the Book of Enoch had to go.  Basically, the story given in the Book of Enoch, in Chapter 7onwards, is that a group of 200 angels concluded that Earth girls were hot, and they wanted some of the action. So unlike the earlier fallen angels, the third of heaven who were driven out with Lucifer, having fallen from pride, these 200 fell from lust. They took human form and cut their swaths among the Earth maidens, meanwhile teaching all kinds of iniquity such as war and vanity and lust and greed. Their offspring were the proverbial "giants among men", basically taking over through terrorizing us mere mortals into submission.  This theory is best presented to my mind by none other than Elizabeth Clare Prophet, in "Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch: Fallen Angels and the Origins of Evil" (1983). Yes, Ms. Prophet is the sect leader who predicted nuclear war for April 23, 1990 and had all her followers hide in fallout shelters. Her organization understandably declined after that. But Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch is a fairly level-headed work, with interesting commentary and fascinating footnotes, and containing the complete text of the Book of Enoch, and also the related Book of the Secrets of Enoch, and various other apocryphal texts and appendices. I prefer the earliest edition, titled as above. The first chapter of a later edition, not too much changed from the original, is available online here:  http://www.aim-e.eu/documents/men_and_angels/of_men_and_angles.pdf As for the Book of Enoch itself, there are two different translations available online: R. Laurence translation, aside from the link in the above text, is also available here: Part 1: http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm Part 2: http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch61-105.htm  R.H. Charles translation: http://nazirene.org/The_Book_of_Enoch.htm Complete audio reading of the R.H. Charles edition:  Below is a picture of the edition of Ms. Prophet's book that I have: ISBN 0916766608. This edition, besides her 84 page discourse on Enoch, contains the full text of The Book Of Enoch (Laurence), The Book Of The Secrets of Enoch, and The Book Of Jubilees. Later editions are not identical. Especially to be avoided, in my opinion, is "Fallen Angels Among Us: What You Need To Know", which is mostly a pastiche of her posthumously published material.

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