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2014-07-26

George Washington and the U.S. Republic Militias

Vatic Note: Read this below and please keep it in mind as you read and ponder the information given as well as the next blogs coming up, since they are indirectly related.  Now, I am a student of history and I had never been exposed either in my private grade school, public High School, or any of the various colleges I attended, to what you are about to read here.   That is how buried our history has become.   The importance our founding fathers placed on the unorganized Militia has always been down played and almost never discussed, now why is that?

Well, after reading this below, I can now understand since what is the truth about our founding fathers intentions with respect to the "peoples Militia" is the fact that it was created intentionally to be a direct threat to any domestic special interests threatening the republic, who are residing here in the USA, whether they are actually foreign or part of our own people.   That has given me a whole different perspective on the entire issue.

Switzerland used the Constitution of the United States to create their own republic and they must have read this article because they are treating their  "whole people" as that militia in fact, not just in name only, but in reality.  Could that be why everyone left Switzerland alone during WW II?  The Swiss "require" every household to own a gun.   I stopped and thought about that, and reported on a blog a while back that a town in Georgia did the same thing.

They legally required every citizen household in that town to have a firearm.  Its a small version of what was literally intended for the 2nd amendment, to ensure that the "whole People's Militia" would be well armed to prevent tyranny on their soil.  So we best read this and revisit the entire issue once again.

And given the sell out by our Senators to the Israel AIPAC, ADL, and the SPLC, foreign agents engaged in genocide in their own country, its prudent that we begin to truly understand our obligation and our responsibility and consequences to our children, if we refuse to fulfill that obligation.

We are who we are waiting for to save us.

Thank Gawd for these great insightful men who founded our nation.  I don't believe I have appreciated them near as much as I do today given what I am seeing happening both here and abroad. What great foresight they had.  Its time we investigate militias in our areas.  If nothing else, get involved in training just in case.  Make this blog go viral among the sheeple.

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George Washington takes the oath of office at Federal Hall in lower Manhattan, April 30, 1789
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On September 17, 1787 George Washington was the first to sign and accept the Constitution even though it had no Bill of Rights. It was Patrick Henry with his great speeches and lectures who in 1788 forced an agreement which promised that continued ratifications of the document depended upon a Bill of Rights to be forthcoming.

In 1789 Washing- ton took office and was faced with the arduous task of pioneering the first presidency including the structuring of the militia system. By January 1790 the influence Patrick Henry had over him became quite apparent. When Washington chaired the 1787 Constitutional Convention, provisions had been made for the defense of the country against invasion and for stifling rebel- lions, but there was an insufficiency of safeguards to be applied against tyranny brought on by public officials.

By 1790 Washington began work on his “Plan No. 2 for the Organization of the Militia.” By now he was more able to see the weaknesses in the Constitution. He openly discussed the threat of tyranny emanating from within the government.

By then, Patrick Henry’s wisdom was spread throughout the 13 original states, and it was inculcated as the basis for the policies and functions of the militia. Henry perpetuated the people’s liberty. He sustained the ultimate authority of the people.

Washington well under- stood the need to safeguard the nation from its foreign enemies. In his “Plan No. 2 for the Organization of the Militia” he undertook to warn about the dangers of domestic enemies: tyranny in government.

United States Militias: Oath To Support And Defend The Constitution Against All Enemies, Foreign And Domestic

Washington himself took the farmers out for practice, and he utilized the knowledge and experiences of his generals and other valuable officers in the War for Independence by having them instruct and train the citizens (the whole people) in the techniques of soldiering, and the maintenance of an ‘energetic national militia’.

His “Plan No. 2 for the Organization of the Militia” was communicated to the Senate, on the 21st of January 1790. This lengthy Plan was permeated with the proposition that it is the direct duty and responsibility of the people themselves to guard against tyranny from within government.
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Washington declared that the purpose of the militia was “to oppose the introduction of tyranny.” He had come a long way from the days when he accepted the Constitution without a Bill of Rights.




To view Washington’s statement in the context in which it was delivered, please look over the following excerpt taken from Pages 7-8 of an old document published by Gales and Seaton in 1832 entitled “American State Papers – Documents, Legislative and Executive, of the Congress of the United States, from the First Session of the First to the Second Session of the Fifteenth Congress, inclusive: commencing March 3, 1789, and ending March 3, 1819”.

This excerpt is a part of Wash- ington’s lengthy Plan No. 2 of 1790. While he also made reference to the prevention of invasion and rebellion, Washington said that “the well informed members of the community (the people) were meant to be the real defence of the country”; and “the virtues and knowledge of the people would effectually oppose the introduction of tyranny.”

He warned that “the government would be invaded or overturned, and trampled upon by the bold and ambitious” — meaning people in our own country who operated without adherence to vital principles. The absoluteness of the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a basic principle.  

Unless the right to arms is absolute, the people cannot remain the ultimate power. The Bill of Rights confirmed that we possess many other rights beside the absolute right to arms. All of the other rights for the preservation of their own existence, depend entirely upon the absoluteness, the force, and the reasoning that have shaped the Second Amendment.

Washington agreed with Patrick Henry on the purpose of the militia: It was to “oppose the introduction of tyranny.” Make no mistake about it: The prime reason for the Second Amendment is prevention of tyranny in government.

EXCERPT FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON’S 1790 PLAN FOR THE ORGANIZATION OF THE MILITIA

“An energetic national militia is to be regarded as the capital security of a free republic, and not a standing army, forming a distinct class in the community.

It is the introduction and diffusion of vice, and corruption of manners, into the mass of the people, that renders a standing army necessary. It is when public spirit is despised, and avarice, indolence, and effeminacy of manners predominate, and prevent the establishment of institutions which would elevate the minds of the youth in the paths of virtue and honor, that a standing army is formed and riveted forever."  (VN:  WOW!!!)



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While the human character remains unchanged, and societies and governments of considerable extent are formed, a principle ever ready to execute the laws, and defend the state, must constantly exist. Without this vital principle, the government would be invaded or overturned, and trampled upon by the bold and ambitious. No community can be long held together, unless its arrangements are adequate to its probable exigencies.

If it should be decided to reject a standing army for the military branch of the government of the United States, as possessing too fierce an aspect, and being hostile to the principles of liberty, it will follow that a well constituted militia ought to be established.

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  (VN:  I believe the Jihad groups are part of the false flag and work for either CIA, Mossad, or MI6, or all three.  Since Jihad groups have been created by those three intel agencies, it makes sense,  Just look at ISIS that they are saying are the problems elsewhere that the Israeli's say are like Al Qaeda, well check this out and figure out who has hired them)  


A consideration of the subject will show the impracticability of disciplining at once the mass of the people. All discussions on the subject of a powerful militia will result in one or other of the following principles:

First, Either efficient institutions must be established for the military education of the youth, and that the knowledge acquired therein shall be diffused throughout the community, by the means of rotation;

or,

Secondly, That the militia must be formed of substitutes, after the manner of the militia of Great Britain.

United States Militias: Oath To Support And Defend The Constitution Against All Enemies, Foreign And Domestic


If the United States possess the vigor of mind to establish the first institution, it may reasonably be expected to produce the most unequivocal advantages. A glorious national spirit will be introduced, with its extensive train of political consequences. 

The youth will imbibe a love of their country; reverence and obedience to its laws; courage and elevation of mind; openness and liberality of character; accompanied by a just spirit of honor: in addition to which their bodies will acquire a robustness, greatly conducive to their personal happiness, as well as the defence of their country; while habit, with its silent but efficacious operations, will durably cement the system.




Habit, that powerful and universal law, incessantly acting on the human race, well deserves the attention of legislators—formed at first in individuals, by separate and almost imperceptible impulses, until at length it acquires a force which controls with irresistible sway. The effects of salutary or pernicious habits, operating on a whole nation, are immense, and decide its rank and character in the world.

Hence the science of legislation teaches to scrutinize every national institution, as it may introduce proper or improper habits; to adopt with religious zeal the former, and reject with horror the latter.

A republic, constructed on the principles herein stated, would be uninjured by events, sufficient to overturn a government supported solely by the uncertain power of a standing army.

The well informed members of the community, actuated by the highest motives of self-love, would form the real defence of the country. Rebellions would be prevented or suppressed with ease; invasions of such a government would be undertaken only by mad men; and the virtues and knowledge of the people would effectually oppose the introduction of tyranny.

But the second principle, a militia of substitutes, is pregnant, in a degree, with the mischiefs of a standing army; as it is highly probable the substitutes from time to time will be nearly the same men, and the most idle and worthless part of the community. Wealthy families, proud of distinctions which riches may confer, will prevent their sons from serving in the militia of substitutes; the plan will degenerate into habitual contempt; a standing army will be introduced, and the liberties of the people subjected to all the contingencies of events.

The expense attending an energetic establishment of militia may be strongly urged as an objection to the institution. But it is to be remembered, that this objection is leveled at both systems, whether by rotation or by substitutes: for, if the numbers are equal, the expense will also be equal. The estimate of the expense will show its unimportance, when compared with the magnitude and beneficial effects of the institution

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But the people of the United States will cheerfully consent to the expenses of a measure calculated to serve as a perpetual barrier to their liberties; especially as they well know that the disbursements will be made among the members of the same community, and therefore cannot be injurious.

Every intelligent mind would rejoice in the establishment of an institution, under whose auspices the youth and vigor of the constitution would be renewed with each successive generation, and which would appear to secure the great principles of freedom and happiness against the injuries of time and events.

The following plan is formed on these general principles:

First, That it is the indispensable duty of every nation to establish all necessary institutions for its own perfection and defence.

Secondly, That it is a capital security to a free state, for the great body of the people to possess a competent knowledge of the military art.

Thirdly, That this knowledge cannot be attained, in the present state of society, but by establishing adequate institutions for the military education of youth; and that the knowledge acquired therein should be diffused throughout the community by the principles of rotation.

Fourthly, That every man of the proper age, and ability of body, is firmly bound, by the social compact, to perform, personally, his proportion of military duty for
the defence of the state.



 Fifthly, That all men, of the legal military age, should be armed, enrolled, and held responsible for different degrees of military service.

And Sixthly, That agreeably to the constitution, the United States are to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such a part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States; reserving to the States, respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia, according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.”

End of excerpt from the 1790 Plan for Organization of the Militia
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GEORGE WASHINGTON
 
George Washington is listed as No. 1 in the Hall of Fame. In addition to his many other remarkable achievements, his Farewell Address also has gone down in history as one of the greatest writings of all time. In it he warned against engaging in foreign influence and entanglements, weakening the fabric of the constitutional government, loss of respect for national morality and religious principles, growth of party spirit, and against the devastation brought on by pretended patriotism.

It was a disgraceful effort which caused February 22nd, Washington’s birthday, to be renamed as President’s Day, thus reducing the respect due to a man who had contributed so much of himself. In his Farewell Address he left us this immortal advice:

“Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor and caprice?


George Washington And Father Augustine Washington
It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world….”

Yet, we allow our public officials to “police the world”. Further still he said:

“One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown…..”  (VN: this is exactly what is happening right now in this country.  Take heed and reread this again, to bring it home just how important they saw this combination of right to bear arms and "The peoples Militia" to protect the Constitution, Bill of Rights and "ALL" of the People)


Yet, we allow our public officials to effect grievous alterations in the operation of the Constitutional system, swear by the oath of office under pretended allegiance, and destroy our inherent right as the ultimate power in the republic by denying us the use of firearms.  

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Gaza: Israel's $4 Billion Gas Grab

Vatic Note:   My goodness, once you read this below, all that Israel is doing now makes sense.  I did not say it was right, I said now we know the truth about why they are doing what they are doing and risking the wrath of the world for their genocide and dragging the USA right down with them, and all of it for oil and gas. I now suspect, Israels heavy hand is also involved in the renewed horrors being visited in Iraq with their huge oil field as well. What is going on here?  Notice, the Israeli's talk about stopping the Hamas, and yet we proved they created and funded them and for what reason??  Could this be the reason?   To use them as a threat to Israel in order to cover and justify their intent to genocide the Pals and steal their land, and natural gas for profit and gain. 

PSYCHOS.

Are energy Companies now becoming blatant fascists?  If appears they do not want to pay royalties to those who own the land, rather simply steal the land for their control and use with no revenue to the country and its people, for raping and pillaging their resources.  Well, thats the British and Israel for you, leaders are Khazars, as we recently discovered on another blog that we did, and is it a coincidence that both countries are run by  Khazars and that one country created the other??? I think not. 

Looks like Israel has chosen to work for the oil/gas companies rather than for their people.  ALL OF THEIR PEOPLE.   Welcome to your NEW WORLD ORDER, How do you like it so far? Genociding is becoming the new way to obtain rights to natural resources under the ground.  I wonder, does that mean that if I decide I want those gas rights,  I can kill/murder everyone in the gas and oil companies that will end up controlling the oil and gas here???  Or is it one law for them and another for us?  Lots of questions and no answers.   

Attn: globalist cyber spies at NSA in Israel,  This VN is what you get for gutting my blog on this issue and the previous vatic note.  Sometimes its best to leave well enough alone, or didn't anyone teach you that? 


Gaza: Israel's $4 Billion Gas Grab 
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2482929/gaza_israels_4_billion_gas_grab.html
Nafeez Ahmed, The Econologist, July 20, 2014


Never mind the 'war on terror' rhetoric, writes Nafeez Ahmed. The purpose of Israel's escalating assault on Gaza is to control the Territory's 1.4 trillion cubic feet of gas - and so keep Palestine poor and weak, gain massive export revenues, and avert its own domestic energy crisis.

If Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout.  Israel's defence minister is on record confirming that military plans to uproot Hamas' are about securing control of Gaza's gas reserves.

The conquest of Gaza is accelerating. Israel has now launched its ground invasion, bringing the Palestinian death toll to 260, 80% of whom are civilians.  A further 1,500 have been wounded and 1,300 Palestinian homes destroyed. Israel's goal, purportedly, is to "restore quiet" by ending Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.

Last Tuesday, Israeli defence minister and former Israeli Defence Force (IDF) chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon announced that Operation Protective Edge marks the beginning of a protracted assault on Hamas.


The operation "won't end in just a few days", he said, adding that "we are preparing to expand the operation by all means standing at our disposal so as to continue striking Hamas."

 
The price will be very heavy ... yes, $4 billion!
The following morning, he went on: "We continue with strikes that draw a very heavy price from Hamas. We are destroying weapons, terror infrastructures, command and control systems, Hamas institutions, regime buildings, the houses of terrorists, and killing terrorists of various ranks of command ...

 
"The campaign against Hamas will expand in the coming days, and the price the organization will pay and will be very heavy."
But in 2007, a year before Operation Cast Lead, Ya'alon's concerns focused on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast, valued at $4 billion.


Ya'alon dismissed the notion that "Gaza gas can be a key driver of an economically more viable Palestinian state" as "misguided".   (VN: No kidding, how naive, if anyone believes that.  It simply means they have not been paying atttention.  There is no way, Israel will ever allow the pals to become a viable economic and political state.)
 

The problem, he said is that "Proceeds of a Palestinian gas sale to Israel would likely not trickle down to help an impoverished Palestinian public. Rather, based on Israel's past experience, the proceeds will likely serve to fund further terror attacks against Israel ...
 
"A gas transaction with the Palestinian Authority will, by definition, involve Hamas. Hamas will either benefit from the royalties or it will sabotage the project and launch attacks against Fatah, the gas installations, Israel - or all three ... 

 
"It is clear that without an overall military operation to uproot Hamas control of Gaza, no drilling work can take place without the consent of the radical Islamic movement."

 

Resource competition is at the heart of the conflict
Operation Cast Lead did not succeed in uprooting Hamas, but the conflict did take the lives of 1,387 Palestinians (773 of whom were civilians) and 9 Israelis (3 of whom were civilians). 


Since the discovery of oil and gas in the Occupied Territories, resource competition has increasingly been at the heart of the conflict, motivated largely by Israel's increasing domestic energy woes.


Mark Turner, founder of the Research Journalism Initiative, reported that the siege of Gaza and ensuing military pressure was designed to "eliminate" Hamas as "a viable political entity in Gaza" to generate a "political climate" conducive to a gas deal.


This involved rehabilitating the defeated Fatah as the dominant political player in the West Bank, and "leveraging political tensions between the two parties, arming forces loyal to Abbas and the selective resumption of financial aid."

 
Ya'alon's comments in 2007 illustrate that the Israeli cabinet is not just concerned about Hamas - but concerned that if Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout.
 

It's not called Leviathan for nothing
 
Meanwhile, Israel has made successive discoveries in recent years - such as the Leviathan field estimated to hold 18 trillion cubic feet of natural gas - which could transform the country from energy importer into aspiring energy exporter with ambitions to supply Europe, Jordan and Egypt.
 

The chief obstacle is that much of the 122 trillion cubic feet of gas and 1.6 billion barrels of oil in the Levant Basin Province lies in territorial waters where borders are hotly disputed between Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Cyprus.

Amidst this regional jockeying for gas, Israel has its own little-understood energy challenges. First, it could take until 2020 for much of these domestic resources to be mobilised.


Worse, a 2012 letter by two Israeli government chief scientists - which the Israeli government chose not to disclose - warned the government that Israel still had insufficient gas resources to sustain exports despite all the stupendous discoveries. The letter, according to Ha'aretz, stated:


"We believe Israel should increase its use of natural gas by 2020 and should not export gas. The Natural Gas Authority's estimates are lacking. There's a gap of 100 to 150 billion cubic meters between the demand projections that were presented to the committee and the most recent projections. The gas reserves are likely to last even less than 40 years!"
 

Israel's looming power crisis
 

As Dr Gary Luft - an advisor to US Energy Security Council - wrote in the Journal of Energy Security, "with the depletion of Israel's domestic gas supplies accelerating, and without an imminent rise in Egyptian gas imports, Israel could face a power crisis in the next few years ...
"If Israel is to continue to pursue its natural gas plans it must diversify its supply sources."

 

Israel's new discoveries do not, as yet, offer an immediate solution as electricity prices reach record levels, heightening the imperative to diversify supply. This appears to be behind Prime Minister Netanyahu's announcement in February 2011 that it was now time to seal the Gaza gas deal.
 

But even after a new round of negotiations was kick-started between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority and Israel in September 2012, Hamas was excluded from these talks, and thus rejected the legitimacy of any deal.

Earlier this year, Hamas condemned a PA deal to purchase $1.2 billion worth of gas from Israel Leviathan field over a 20 year period once the field starts producing.
 

Simultaneously, the PA has held several meetings with the British Gas Group to develop the Gaza gas field, albeit with a view to exclude Hamas - and thus Gazans - from access to the proceeds. That plan had been the brainchild of Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair.  (VN: ahh, Mr. Traitor himself, the entire world knows Israel ran Britain during Tony's time, and may still be.)
 

But the PA was also courting Russia's Gazprom to develop the Gaza marine gas field, and talks have been going on between Russia, Israel and Cyprus, though so far it is unclear what the outcome of these have been. Also missing was any clarification on how the PA would exert control over Gaza, which is governed by Hamas.
 

The curse of Gaza's fossil fuel wealth
According to Anais Antreasyan in the University of California's Journal of Palestine Studies, the most respected English language journal devoted to the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel's stranglehold over Gaza has been designed to make "Palestinian access to the Marine-1 and Marine-2 gas wells impossible."

 
Israel's long-term goal "besides preventing the Palestinians from exploiting their own resources, is to integrate the gas fields off Gaza into the adjacent Israeli offshore installations."

 
This is part of a wider strategy of "separating the Palestinians from their land and natural resources in order to exploit them, and, as a consequence, blocking Palestinian economic development.
"Despite all formal agreements to the contrary, Israel continues to manage all the natural resources nominally under the jurisdiction of the PA, from land and water to maritime and hydrocarbon resources."

 

Hamas - an obstacle to peace? Or an obstacle to a gas deal?
For the Israeli government, Hamas continues to be the main obstacle to the finalisation of the gas deal. In the incumbent defence minister's words:


"Israel's experience during the Oslo years indicates Palestinian gas profits would likely end up funding terrorism against Israel. The threat is not limited to Hamas ... It is impossible to prevent at least some of the gas proceeds from reaching Palestinian terror groups."

 
The only option, therefore, is yet another "military operation to uproot Hamas" (VN: A better option and much more effective is to withhold all that funding you are doing AND quit giving them those missles that you allow them to have.  Think about it...... Your security is so strong that no food or resources can be gotten to the Pals from out of the country or even within the country, so how did they hide 500 missles?  They didn't.  We goyim are not as stupid out here as you would like to believe. I believe its the khazar goyim that are proving somewhat lacking in the sanity and brains dept.  Corruption is where they excel, no doubt about it.)
 

Unfortunately, for the IDF uprooting Hamas means destroying the group's perceived civilian support base - which is why Palestinian civilian casualties massively outweigh those of Israelis. Both are obviously reprehensible, but Israel's capacity to inflict destruction is simply far greater.  (VN:  as a sign on the wall in MOSSAD says "and by deception we will conduct war", and they have, big time.)
 

The IDF's aggressive new combat doctrine
In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Jerusalem-based Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (Pcati) found that the IDF had adopted a more aggressive combat doctrine based on two principles:

  • "zero casualties" for IDF soldiers at the cost of deploying increasingly indiscriminate firepower in densely populated areas;
  • and the "dahiya doctrine" promoting targeting of civilian infrastructure to create widespread suffering amongst the population with a view to foment opposition to Israel's opponents.
This was confirmed in practice by the UN fact-finding mission in Gaza which concluded that the IDF had pursued a "deliberate policy of disproportionate force" aimed at the "supporting infrastructure" of the enemy. "This appears to have meant the civilian population", said the UN report.
The Israel-Palestine conflict is clearly not only about resources. But in an age of expensive energy, competition to dominate regional fossil fuels are increasingly influencing the critical decisions that can inflame war.


Dr. Nafeez Ahmed is an international security journalist and academic. He is the author of A User's Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save It, and the forthcoming science fiction thriller, ZERO POINT. ZERO POINT is set in a near future following a Fourth Iraq War.
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2014-07-25

Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off

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Vatic Note:  If true, then what our reality is, the Rothschild cabal of international bankers and their country, Israel, are now fully ready, willing and able to murder and genocide for their cause and PROFITS (Natural Gas in Gaza) and they don't care anymore what we know or believe, they have almost quit trying to pretend.  If you remember correctly,  Flight 370 had two scientists on board who owned a majority of a patent for technology they had developed for a Rothschild owned company.

I heard tonight it was a patent for a cloaking device to be  used as a weapon.  The plane went missing to take control of those two men, so the company would eventually become the sole owner of that patent.  Now "who" in our 230 year history would ever do such a thing?I guess we were lucky to be saved for last before the Zionists complete their Fascist corporate take over of America.

Given Rothschilds ownership, it is a given that he benefited greatly by their disappearance.  Well, now this below makes perfect sense on all the other problems I saw with the 317 so called shoot down.   We mentioned the condition of the bodies within the mangled debri, where there was no cuts, slashes or wounds nor blood, anywhere or any real dirt that you would expect from flying oil and other liquids used to lubricate a plane and its hinges, doors etc... YET THERE WAS MANGLED STEEL.  How is that possible? 

What is becoming more and more evident is they are pushing the envelope on our sensibilities.  There was a time we would never, ever tolerated "ANYONE" committing genocide on a whole race of civilians who were not armed or involved in any battle.  Now we have been slowly desensitized to such actions by Israel, an ally, and who we give military aid to,  that they are using to conduct that genocide, so we are as guilty as they are IF WE CONTINUE SUCH AID. Call your senators and congressman and tell them NO MORE MILITARY AID FOR ISRAEL.

We don't know if it was shot down or blown up on the ground, which is my belief, since what pilot could they get to fly a plane full of dead bodies, knowing it would be shot down.  No, I think someone flew it to where we saw the explosion on Goldbugs video and the dead bodies were taken out and the plane blown up and then the dead rotting bodies of flight 307 were put back in.

I got that from this below and so far, Jim Stone has been right on just about everything he has investigated.  They even restaffed an operating tower, took out the regular employees and replaced them.  Now why did they do that? Flight 317 had to continue on with its journey, and there needed to be no witnesses from the tower.

It was not just the military commander that commented on the smell of the putrified bodies, but also the fact that no blood was found anywhere, which means the bodies were old enough that the blood had disintegrated before the blow up, so when they placed them back in the destroyed plane, there was no evidence of any blood at all.  I am still monitoring this one and will update as I find more.  This was to cover up the GENOCIDE of civilians in Palestine for Natural Gas profits for Israel.  Nice people, huh?  No wonder the Mongols kicked the khazars out of Mongolia.  Don't get me started....

Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off
http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/military-commander-passengers-dead-long-before-plane-took-off/

WW~Notes: Jim Stone on what the real truth most likely is about Malaysian MH17 or flight 370.

MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370
A-Malaysian-passenger-plane-3225398.png
July 18 2014

The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure no one could speak about what went on.

From the Washington Times:

“MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.”

My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. 

A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.

Additionally, MH17 returned immediately to normal flight schedules after this shoot down, and I beg to question HOW if a real MH17 plane was lost. The only incomplete flight is the shoot down flight. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks after the jet supporting it disappeared, why not the same scenario for MH17 if it really did get shot down? Answer: The shot down plane was the disposal of flight 370, being reported as MH17 to cover it up thus leaving MH17 in a position to return to normal immediately. Dead men tell no tales? Perhaps if they are NOT LOADED ONTO A PLANE ROTTEN.
As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern Ukraine

MH17 flies over Western Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed the flight path accomodating this “shoot down”. MH17 indeed does not fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the “official” story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my mail box.

Yonatan said…

If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn’t fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.

What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?

Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware’s data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.

A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.

Something’s fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.

MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it! Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777 was used for this.  

UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.

My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any other event so far.

Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes
Whoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I have posted with alternative images that have completely different file names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening, if anything conflicts the text will have to do.

This is HUGE, and the swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I think is BOGUS.

I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17 but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the downing of flight 370. 

I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100 doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL B.S. from that alone!

Pa Namby wrote:

“.. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc. Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on family’s reactions. I have seen nothing…have you?”

My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!
One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange considering the nature of the shoot down.

Flight 370 was canceled for weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it, though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary, such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN(VN:  to me, this means they don't care anymore what we think.  They did not want to lose money so they continued on with the flight.  Now we will begin to see the insanity since they are no longer hiding what they think, want, or do - they are completely insane. And we will suffer for it when they no longer fear us.  Right now, they know the problems they will have trying to do anything like this to us. But as I have proven on here more than once, they intend to do to us what they are doing to the Pals, and what they did to the Christians in Russia in 1917.  Massacre millions of Christians with no consequences.  Those days are gone for them. We will fight back and they know it, so that is why they want those guns of ours.)

Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on it
Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17

Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These “replacements by force” were obviously put there to front the official story.

The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers. If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that “MH17″ was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.

Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.

If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S.

It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts.  

Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out “appropriately”.

Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.

If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.

So what actually happened as far as I see it? 

The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide “pilot feedback” from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.

HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault (VN: "GENOCIDE ASSAULT....) on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.

So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be “officially” documented, the logic certainly fits. 

And a final nail – MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? 

That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.

For the information hounds out there, Nodisinfo retracted their hoax report most likely on word that the bodies were dead long before the flight took off, which explained too many of the anomalies they noted.
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The Risk of a Ukraine Bloodbath

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Vatic Note:  Oh, boy, this article really made me mad.  Its ironic how those we were unsure of in the past as oppositon to the cabal, are now, after ensuring their credibility, coming out of the closet to promote the very story line that the cabal NEEDS the planet to buy into if we are to go to war, (WW III).   What if you had a war and no one would show up for it?

What if the war machine turned around and took down these families and their financiers? Now that might be worth it.  Then this would never happen again. In order to succeed with their plan they must make the general population of each nation committed to the storyline they are promoting to begin and fight in that war.  Its what they successfully did in both previous wars.

 But we have come a long way in our education about history and we know a lot more than we did prior to this effort on the cabals part.   Its just not working this time around.  No one on either side wants this war, nor does anyone believe in it, except for the poor subjects in Ukraine who are being brutalized on both sides, in order to try and start it.

Bilderbergs met last month and reaffirmed their comitment to having this world war.   Well, let them and their families go fight it and we can stay here and watch.   No more American blood for Rothschild international bankers.  There was so much propoganda in this article that I reserved the bulk of my vatic note when the propoganda would show up, I would comment, so see the rest of my VN below.

The Risk of a Ukraine Bloodbath 
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/02/the-risk-of-a-ukraine-bloodbath/
by Ray McGovern, Consortium news, 7/2/2014

Exclusive: Pressured by neocons (VN: and Neolibs, and their ......) and the mainstream U.S. media, the Obama administration is charting a dangerous course by seeking a military solution to Ukraine’s political crisis and possibly provoking Moscow to intervene to protect ethnic Russians, ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern warns.  (VN: he has no choice, his neocon/neolib handlers won't let him do anything different, since it would not lead to the WW III they need to 1.  Reduce resisting populations to the NWO everywhere through blood and maiming, 2.  Extract more wealth from these countries through lending to both sides of the WW, make money off of sale of arms to both sides, and make money rebuilding all that war destroys and obligate future generations to perpetual taxation to support the profiteering agenda., 3.  To shore up and preserve the fiat currency system, only this time, at a global level.)

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko – by thumbing his nose at the leaders of Russia, Germany and France as they repeatedly appealed to him to renew the fragile ceasefire in eastern Ukraine – has left himself and his U.S. patrons isolated, though that’s not the version of the story that you’ll read in the mainstream U.S. press.

But the reality is that an unusual flurry of high-level conference calls last weekend from key European capitals failed to dissuade Poroshenko from launching major attacks on opposition forces in eastern Ukraine. Washington was alone in voicing support for Poroshenko’s decision, with a State Department spokeswoman saying “he has a right to defend his country.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin during a state visit to Austria on June 24, 2014. (Official Russian government photo)
Russian President Vladimir Putin during a state visit to Austria on June 24, 2014. (Official Russian government photo)

As Ukrainian air and artillery strikes increased on Tuesday, so did diplomatic activity among the Europeans with the U.S. playing no discernible role in the peace efforts. There was no sign, for example, that Secretary of State John Kerry was invited to a hastily called meeting in Berlin on Wednesday involving the foreign ministers of Germany (Frank-Walter Steinmeier), France (Laurent Fabius), Russia (Sergey Lavrov), and newly appointed Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin.

This marginalization of the U.S. is a consequence of a well-founded suspicion that Poroshenko’s fateful decision to “attack” came with Washington’s encouragement. The continued provocative behavior of Secretary Kerry, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and other U.S. hardliners comes despite the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin still holds the high cards in this regional standoff.

Putin has at his disposal a range of alternatives short of sending in tanks to protect the ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine, many of whom had voted for President Viktor Yanukovych who was ousted in February by violent protests. The uprising was led by western Ukrainians demanding closer ties to Europe but was turned into a “regime change” on Feb. 22 through a putsch spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias contemptuous of the ethnic Russians living in the east and south.

Yanukovych’s ouster was strongly encouraged by Nuland, who handpicked Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the leader of the interim government, while at least four ministries were awarded to the neo-Nazis, including the office of national security, in recognition of their key role in the final attacks that forced Yanukovych and his officials to flee for their lives.

Though hailed as “legitimate” by the U.S. State Department, the coup regime was rejected by many ethnic Russians in eastern and southern Ukraine. In Crimea, the population voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and rejoin Russia, a development that U.S. officials and the dutiful mainstream media characterized as a Russian “invasion.”

Similarly, in the east, in the so-called Donbass region, ethnic Russians rose up and asserted their independence from the Kiev regime, which then deemed them “terrorists” and launched an “antiterrorist” campaign that incorporated some of the neo-Nazi militias as National Guard units deployed as shock troops to crush the uprising. Several bloody massacres of ethnic Russians followed in Odessa and other cities.

In May, the election of Poroshenko – in balloting mostly conducted in western and central Ukraine – held out some hope for a negotiated settlement with guarantees to respect the ethnic Russian population and greater autonomy granted to the eastern regions. However, Poroshenko had trouble getting control of his hardliners and he refused to negotiate directly with the rebels, leading to the failure of a shaky ceasefire.

A Fateful Decision

While the focus over recent days has been on Poroshenko’s decision to end the ceasefire and go on the offensive, Putin has continued to rely on diplomacy as his primary tool, especially with European officials fearful of the economic consequences of a full-scale confrontation between Russia and the West.

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov has made considerable headway in getting at least Berlin and Paris to join Moscow in trying to restrain Washington in its apparent eagerness to stoke the fires in Ukraine.

Speaking on Russian TV on Saturday, Lavrov said, “Peace within the warring country [Ukraine] would be more likely if negotiations were left to Russia and Europe,” adding, “Our American colleagues … according to a lot of evidence, still favor pushing the Ukrainian leadership towards the path of confrontation.”

That evidence is increasingly evident to Europeans. What is new is their apparent willingness to slip softly out of their accustomed lockstep subservience to the U.S. in such matters.

Washington is losing support elsewhere in Europe as well. Last Thursday, Kerry declared it “critical for Russia to show in the next hours, literally, that it is moving to help disarm the separatists,” and on Friday the European Union leaders set a Monday deadline for Russia to take a series of steps to avoid further sanctions.

Alas, Monday showed the Europeans putting off any action for at least another week. This delay has driven the editors of the neocon flagship Washington Post to distraction; in Wednesday’s edition they pouted that such lack of resolve amounts to “craven surrender” to “Russian aggression.”

Putin, meanwhile, is maintaining a determined coolness in his public remarks. In a major speech on Tuesday, he noted, in a more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger tone:
“Unfortunately, President Poroshenko has resolved to resume military action, and we failed – when I say ‘we,’ I mean my colleagues in Europe and myself – we failed to convince him that the road to a secure, stable, and inviolable peace cannot lie through war. …

Mr. Poroshenko had not been directly linked to the orders to begin military action, and only now did he take full responsibility, and not only military, but political as well, which is much more important.  (VN: doesn't he work for the khazar zionists as well?)

“We also failed to agree to make public a statement approved by the foreign ministers of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine on the need to maintain peace and search for mutually acceptable solutions.”

Focus on Europe

Putin reminded his audience of Russian ambassadors that “Europe is our natural and most significant trade and economic partner.” Adding a gentle reminder about Europe’s dependence on natural gas from Russia, Putin noted that Moscow had developed a reputation as a “reliable supplier of energy resources.”

He also explained why Russia has put Ukraine on a pre-payment system for the delivery of natural gas, noting that Kiev had not paid its bill for several months.
Putin also took a dig at economic “blackmail” in referring to “the pressure our American partners are putting on France to force it not to supply Mistrals [helicopter carrier ships] to Russia.”  Russia bought two Mistral-class ships from France for $1.6 billion in what was Moscow’s first major foreign arms purchase since the collapse of the Soviet Union.   (VN: that is in anticipation of WW III, which no one here is willing to die and fight for the Bankers bank accounts.  We would rather conduct WW III against the bankers rather than the Russian people.)

Appearing on French TV last month, Putin said, “We expect our French partners to fulfill their contractual obligations” and held out the prospect of future orders, an important enticement given France’s struggling economy.

Toward the end of his speech Putin also drew attention to the spread of “radical, neo-Nazi” elements not only in the fledgling states of the former USSR, “but also in Europe as a whole.”  He warned that “social contradictions … can be a breeding ground for … the growth of extremism.”  (VN: Amazing, I can't believe they are going to try and use that old cannard in this war like they did in WW II and now we know real history, its clear who the true zionazi's were.)

Putin added that even in seemingly stable countries ethnic and social contradictions can suddenly escalate and become ripe for external players “to seek illegitimate, non-democratic regime change, with all the ensuing negative consequences.”

Putin seems to be challenging the Germans and French, in particular, who have had direct experience living under fascism (and who now have their own home-bred fascists to deal with), to decide whether they really wish to acquiesce in the brutal suppression of southeastern Ukrainians with the help of admirers of the late Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera and other Ukrainian fascists who helped Hitler cleanse Ukraine of Jewish and Russian “vermin.”  (VN: Actually, it was the other way around.  Research who did the famine and how they did it killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.  We did a blog on this not too long ago. )

There is serious question as to whether Poroshenko can now rein in these Frankenstein extremists even if he seriously tried to do so. The ultra-nationalists and other hardliners in western Ukraine have made it clear to Poroshenko that they expect him to fulfill his promises about rapidly crushing the eastern Ukrainian uprising.

Meanwhile, the neocon-dominated Western mainstream media has consistently downplayed the role of fascists and neo-Nazis in the Putsch of Feb. 22, in the subsequent violence in other key cities like Odessa, and now in southeastern Ukraine. Mentioning Ukraine’s “brown shirts” destroys the U.S. media’s preferred narrative of Washington-backed “white hats” vs. Moscow-backed “black hats.”

The Russians, of course, have their own violent history with fascists and seem intent on waking other Europeans to the dangers – with the coup in Kiev a very recent reminder. Professor Stephen F. Cohen of New York University provides an excellent wrap-up of the evidence on this issue in a new article, “The Silence of American Hawks About Kiev’s Atrocities.”

Taking the Ukrainian Army Seriously

Nastupat is a strong word in Ukrainian and Russian. It means “attack” – and Poroshenko hit the word hard in announcing he had ordered his forces to “attack and free our lands.” He seemed intent not only on snubbing his peace-seeking telephone partners from last weekend, but also on channeling John Kerry’s hawkish buddy John McCain.  (VN: Well of course, when the khazar bankers controlled Russia, they made Putin, head of KGB, just like they did Bush in Ameirca, where they first made him head of the CIA, and then President, everyone knows that, its one of their favorite moves.  Train a president with the intel services and then put them in as President.  He is one of the bankers and this is the bogus man made false flag to try and start WW III that the internationalists need to replenish their reducing wealth extraction from all countries. They do it all the time.  That is why they want to globalize so they don't have to do this anymore.  As dictators they can just take the wealth from us through slavery.)

There were even hints of Bandera’s old attitude about ethnically purifying Ukraine in Poroshenko’s warning that Kiev’s new attack would rid Ukraine of “parasites.” The Ukrainian defense ministry quickly announced the launching of attacks “from the air and land,” and the violence has escalated sharply.

It struck me, though, as I watched the short clip from Reuters that the Washington Post and Huffington Post ran before the footage of Poroshenko’s solemn “nastupat’” announcement, that the segment did nothing to burnish the image of the Ukrainian troops he is sending off to battle.

The clip shows a ragged line of soldiers applauding two comrades as each approaches the corpulent, fatigue-clad, Poroshenko for an award that looks like a small box of chocolates – presumably from Poroshenko’s own candy factory.

The choreography was not the best. Nor has been the performance of Ukrainian troops sent to the east so far. But it would be far too easy to underestimate the kinds of casualties that elite Ukrainian units are capable of inflicting on lightly armed opponents – not to mention the highly trained Right Sektor and other fascists. A bloodbath may be in the offing.

Will Good Sense Prevail?

In his speech on Tuesday, Putin expressed the hope that “pragmatism will eventually prevail.” He tucked in one short paragraph relating directly to Russia’s relations with the U.S., stating merely, “We are not going to shut down our relationship with the United States,” while conceding that relations “are not in good shape” and blaming Washington for ignoring Russia’s “legitimate interests.”

And there is some reason to hope that, as the foreign ministers of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine gather in Berlin, they will be able to reinstate the ceasefire and move the conflict off the battlefield and onto the negotiating table.

If Poroshenko chooses the path of bloodshed, however, Putin will react strongly. Russia can be counted on to supply arms to those under air and artillery attack from the Ukrainian military. If this proves to be not enough support, Moscow may decide to do even more, possibly adopting a favorite American strategy of declaring a “no-fly zone” and shooting down attacking aircraft.

But any overt or even covert Russian government assistance to the rebels would, in turn, be sure to add fuel to the fiery hysteria in Official Washington about “Russian aggression.” There would be demands on President Barack Obama to retaliate. Who knows where this madness would end?  (VN: Give me a break, I am now suspicious of McGovern.  He knows full well who is behind these world wars they want and they do every so many decades to preserve their wealth extracting fiat bogus currency system, and further their NWO dictatorship agenda.  Its the Rothschild international bankers and their Illuminati owners, of which Rothschild is one.)

In the first part of his Tuesday speech, Putin was upfront about the possibility of a Russian intervention to stop any Ukrainian military slaughter of ethnic Russians. He said he “would like to make clear” to all that Moscow might feel compelled to protect “Russians and Russian-speaking citizens of the Ukraine. … I am referring to those people who consider themselves part of the broad Russian community; they may not necessarily be ethnic Russians, but they consider themselves Russian people.”

Putin said, “This country will continue to actively defend the rights of Russians, our compatriots abroad, using the entire range of available means – from political and economic to the right to self-defense envisaged by international humanitarian law.”

Putin’s reference to “international humanitarian law” sounds very much like the “Responsibility to Protect” so favored by some of President Obama’s foreign policy advisers, though apparently not when the people doing the killing are being supported by the U.S. government.

If an even more dangerous crisis is to be averted, the Russian leader’s words need to be taken seriously. To stanch bloodletting in eastern Ukraine and to protect those on the receiving end of Poroshenko-authorized attacks, I would not expect Putin to let himself be mouse-trapped into invading Ukraine – at least not until he had exhausted all other alternatives.

More likely, he would impose a no-fly zone in an attempt to shield the opposition in the east and save it from being decimated. But that itself could represent a dangerous escalation. Poroshenko and his supporters should realize that such matters can get quickly out of hand. Putin has his own tough-guy John McCains to deal with.

Someone might remind Poroshenko of the embarrassingly bloody nose that the Russians gave Georgia’s then-President Mikheil Saakashvili in August 2008 when he sent Georgian forces to attack the city of Tskhinvali in South Ossetia. Moscow justified its military retaliation as necessary to prevent the killing of Russians as well as the Ossetians in the area.

Ultimately, President George W. Bush and then-Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who had encouraged Saakashvili’s adventurism, were powerless to protect him.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Savior in inner-city Washington. During his 27 years as a CIA analyst, he served as chief of CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy Branch as well as preparer/briefer of the President’s Daily Brief.  He is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).    (VN: as we know many of the fundamentalist Christian Churches are manipulated by the Khazar bankers to such a point that now most call them Christian zionsts, which is a political stand rather than a religious one, since Zionists hate Christians)


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Janet Napolitano Resigns Warning Of A Major Cyber Event Which Could Cripple America, Similar To Warnings By Pattie Brassard

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Vatic Note:  Vatic Project has covered this issue on many different occasions with reports of chemtrail cover over the sun at sun rise and sun set and we did so for many months, however, we also covered the fact that this twin star came and went from the south, up over the sun and back down again and was not going to cause near the damage they thought.

We also did many blogs on the Antarctic research facilities of 30 countries since the mid 50's.  So part of this is confirmed but the fact that the twin sun, or dark star is coming from the south, instead of the elliptic is good news.   It won't cause near the damage that it did when it showed up 3,600 years ago, coming in on the eliptic.  That is when damage is great.  Its the debri it brings  with it that caused all the damage in the fly by.   (When viewing all this, lets remember that NASA is now under the US Naval Space Command, so who knows what the truth is.)

This time, we saw some of the debri but it landed out in the pacific and did some damage in Russia and Indonesia, but nothing in America, except for the sink holes it caused.  The Yucatan peninsula is a good example of what an asteroid hitting the earth looks like and I can't imagine the impact on our atmosphere for that size of a collision.   Is that when the dinosaurs went extinct?  Probably.

So, either its still here and getting closer, or its gone and they are using a Rahm Emmanual trick "never let a good crisis go to waste" and are planning on doing something deceptive to us while they go underground.   I can't prove all of this, but our blog does have a TV news report on the arrival of this body from Russian TV and the fact that Russia built 5000 underground facilities for their people in Moscow.  So, you read and decide.  We have another blog on this subject coming up soon.

Janet Napolitano Resigns Warning Of A Major Cyber Event Which Could Cripple America, Similar To Warnings By Pattie Brassard
http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/janet-napolitano-resigns-warning-of-a-major-cyber-event-which-could-cripple-america-similar-to-warnings-by-pattie-brassard/
By Dublin Mick, Here Comes the Sun

I have been blogging about this subject for a long time. Lately we have seen U.S. personnel removed from various embassies, Russia and China engaging in joint military preparedness drills, FEMA ordering large quantities of emergency food etc. Russia seems keen to build some mini subs with Italy. Pattie L. Brassard is suffering from depleted uranium exposure and has serious health problems. She doesn’t think she will be here for very long.

“Pattie L. Brassard is a former US Army high tech specialist who worked for NASA, Bell Labs, Lockheed Martin, and others.  Listen to this urgent message about what she says will happen to Seattle and the whole US West Coast.  And the true consequences of Fukushima, how HAARP, chemtrails, and SmartMeters are really being used, and the fast-approaching binary sun (with seven planets) that world governments have known about for 50 years, after which they started building deep underground bases in secret.  If she is correct, we are in big trouble.  Please listen with discernment, this is very serious if true.  Would like to hear from anyone who knows of evidence that she is lying.”

NASA expert warns of coming event, possibly a megaquake

Pattie Brassard also has a blog with some very interesting Photographs. You be the judge. This one is infrared. It does look a bit like the dragon’s tail, stellar feature of Chinese culture. It is similar to the ones you see in gift shops holding a crystal symbolizing the sky dragon which holds the earth in it’s hand.

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The Sky dragon is a very prominent feature of Chinese history and in fact is their national symbol. It is featured on the walls of the Forbidden City or Temple of Heaven.

Chinese Sky Dragon
sky-dragon

Some final excerpts from Mother Shipton’s Poem (Not the complete poem)

The king shall false promise make;
And talk just for talking’s sake.
And nations plan horrific war;
The like as never seen before.

And taxes rise and lively down;
And nations wear perpetual frown
Not every soul on earth will die,
As the dragon’s tail goes sweeping by,

Not every land on earth will sink,
But these will wallow in stench and stink,
Of rotting bodies of beast and man,
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free.
Of mankind’s dirt and therefore be,
The source of man’s new dynasty.

And those that live will ever fear
The dragon’s tail for many year
But time erases memory You think it strange?
But it will be!

And before the race is built anew,
A silver serpent comes to view
And spew out men of like unknown.
To mingle with the earth now grown,

Cold from its heat and these men
can Enlighten the minds of future man.
To intermingle and show them how
To live and love and thus endow,

The children with the second sight,
A natural thing so that they might
Grow graceful, humble and when they do
The Golden Age will start anew.

The dragon’s tail is but a sign
For mankind’s fall and man’s decline.
And before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at One.

My body singed and my soul set free.
You think I utter blasphemy?
You’re wrong! These things have come to me
THIS PROPHECY WILL COME TO BE!

And when the dragon’s tail is gone
Man forgets and smiles and carries on.
To apply himself – too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

Russia’s Yamantau Mountain, perhaps a survival mecca
It is a subject I have mentioned before as most who read here are well aware I am very high on the Cayce readings. I will be keeping my eye on Vesuvius and Pelee!

Jack reeds missing tectonic plate
Hall of records discovered
new-madrid-theory
The universe is undergoing major change
Massive Number Of Sink Holes Opening Around The World
The Black Swan Event
The Mayan Fifth World (In fact the Mayans indicate we enter the fifth world with the largest planet wide earthquake ever known on the planet)
Norway’s Doomsday Seed Vault

Pretty simple, you eat GMO corn during the earth changes and we emerge from the bunkers  with Orville Rickenbacker’s natural blend afterwards.

Object next to sun 
Benjamin Parravicini

He predicted the fall of “twin towers” and also the fall of Hitler and Mussolini,  storms caused by man’s incursion into the atmosphere and a light from the south, a cross. We do know the American indians referred to the second sun as the planet of the crossing and the symbol is a balanced cross.

The Cherokee symbol is a balanced cross within a circle. Currently many nations have set up telescopes in the antarctic watching the skies. (VN: Vatic Project has done several blogs just on the research facilities of 30 countries in the Antarctic and that was why we kept saying there was a rogue planet or twin star on its way.)  My own interpretation of a trimmed cross could be a balanced cross. Mr. Parravicini attributed the messages he received as coming from his guardian angel, José de Aragón.

We also have the Kolbrin_Bible which speaks of a celestial dragon. It was known to the ancient Greeks as the famed winged globe. Besides The Kolbrin Bible and Sumerian tradition, what additional information is available hinting that a planet once existed in the region of the asteroid belt?”

“celestial] dragon from outer heaven to come and encompass her about. The dragon was frightful to behold, it lashed its tail and breathed out fire and hot coals and a great catastrophe was inflicted upon mankind. The body of the dragon [Nibiru/Planet X] was wreathed in a cold bright light and beneath on the belly was a ruddy hued glow while behind it trailed a flowing tail of smoke.”

“The celestial event broke Tiamat apart, turning some of the pieces into the asteroid belt. However, a small portion of Tiamat remained intact and was hurled inward toward the sun, settling into a closer orbit. The unstable planetary mass of rock and water reestablished itself into a smaller ocean planet, becoming present day Earth.”


Scallion and other maps      (VN: This below, looks like the map the navy put out  in 1996, where the madrid fault with all those nukes along the Mississippi had flooded along with most of the East Coast and a huge chunk of California and mid America..... our farm belt actually.)
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Cracks in Navajo Nation
Navajo Nation

Thanks to Kenny, a glimpse into the Cayce readings and the trance state

Updated: I keep stumbling into more information appearing on the web for public consumption that fits the narrative like a glove.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/08/07/spontaneous-evolution-has-arrived/
“Keep this in mind when reading this article.  Edgar Cayce stated, “(Earth) is slowly receding or gathering closer to the sun, from which it receives its impetus for the awakening of the elements from that which it receives from the sun. - elements that give life itself, by radiation of like elements.”

What does this mean?  It isn’t typical to see such a drastic change in these decay rates.  Scientists are seeing a change of 1/10th of 1% in these particles, which was previously unheard of and is unexplainable at this moment.  When a particle speeds up, it means it’s radiating more energy. 

This includes the energy and particles within our own bodies.  Studies on DNA have indicated that even very weak changes in the energy field can cause profound changes in our DNA.”

There is a drastic climate change event happening on every planet in our solar system.  Planets are becoming more luminous, have higher energy fields and have thicker atmospheres.

What is causing these dramatic changes?”  (VN:  Chemtrail dumping)

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